- Sarah Johnson
- Beaverton, OR
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So just wondering but since Einstein was proven wrong by Jacob Barnett what else was he wrong about?
I am just really interested in trying to understand the theories of Einstein by asking questions and having good conversation. I am interested in Jacobs incredible mind and how he was able to figure out the contradictions to Einsteins theories.
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richard moody jr 10+
You might check Abraham Pais, '"Subtle is the Lord...' The Science and the Life of ALBERT EINSTEIN", p. 467. Einstein stated, "In that case, NOTHING remains of my entire castle in the ar, gravitation included and the rest of modern physics."
"Einstein's Greatest Blunder?: The Cosmologic Constant and Other Fudge Factors ini the Physics of the Universe" by Donald Goldsmith With respect to the Cosmologic Constant, Einstein swore he was wrong when he might have been right.
"Einstein's Greatest Mistake The Abandonment of the Aether" by Sid Deutsch
"Refuting Einstein in 4 Easy Steps: Physicists Measure Brownian Motion". Discover Magazine. Einstein claimed that you could never measure Brownian Motion.
"Astrophysics at the Galactic Center of the Universe Appears to Counter the Gravitational Light Bending Rule of General Relativity" by Ed Dowdye He showed that there is no gravitational lensing as required by general relativity.
"The First Test That Proves General Relativity Wrong" Softpedia The 'gravitomagnetic' field was measured to be 100 million trillion X as strong as predicted by Einstein.
richard moody jr 10+
Lindsay Newland Bowker 50+
Not sure what that is all about but all reviewers of this book at Amazon say, more or less, that its an assemblage of facts gathered to argue in support of the authors determined bias to bring Einsrein down a peg or two, as you yourself do in your own work
.It is always interesting to learn about the creative process, the deliberative process, the process or discovery and works that contribute to that understanding are always valuable. And then of course, it is imporatnt to remember that in science and medicine every advance is incomplete in its insights about the natural world.
Every advance provides a spring board from which to move forward. It's flaws and imperfetions are portals of discovery ( as one reviewer noted quoting James Joyce). To think of them only as mistakes or flaws misses much that is of value in improving our scientific method..
Jimmy Strobl 50+
Lindsay Newland Bowker 50+
,I am a big believer that we should each use all of our energies at the highest possible level to the highest and best use, for our own emanation, for service to humanity.
Negativism, debunking, mockery is not a very fruitful activity..it will never contribute much that serves life, that serves humanity.
Thinking and rhetoric that is constantly critical,. constantly directed at cutting any indovdiual or class of indivdals down to size is about ego, control, assertion of superiority..in otherwords, from a place of impairment , severe impairment.
Jimmy Strobl 50+
Edit: please state any large edit so that the response to those comment's won't seem entirely out of place!
Lindsay Newland Bowker 50+
.My edits are always for typos ( of which I have many..neural problems in both hands): I think I was in the process of still writing the post you responded to this morning..I view most of my posts 3 to 6 times in the process of writing. I think you happened to respond in the middle of that.would your comment have changed?
You can always add an edit. if that is the case.
Jimmy Strobl 50+
I responded first to "Another one of your debunking posts about Einstein?" - I would not have made a comment like "Yeah Richard, you shouldn't criticize Einstein! ;P" to the whole thing that you've edited it to...
There is spell correction in web browsers as well, just Google it and you'll find some Lindsay.
Still I feel that
"Checked it out..I see that O'Hanian, like you, seems to enjoy discrediting Einstein. Not sure what that is all about but all reviewers of this book at amazon say, more or less, that its an asemblage of facts gathered to argue in support of the authros determined bias to bring Einsrein down a peg or two, as you yourself do in your own work.
It is always interesting to learn about the creative process, the deliberative process, the process or discovery and works that contribute to thta understanding are always valuable.
And then of coures, it is importnat to remember that in science and medicine every advance is incomplete in its insights about the natural world. It provides a spring borad from which to move forwards. It's flaws and imperfetions are portals of dicovery ( as one reviewer noted quoting James Joyce). To think of them only as mistakes or flaws misses much that s of value in imporving our scientific method.."
is a bit more then correcting the spelling of
"Another one of your debunking posts about Einstein?"
Lindsay Newland Bowker 50+
The redo took four or five re submits..I saw your post aftre the second, I think. at that time it said "less than five minutes ago"
I would consider it a real breech of TED etiquette to substantially chnage text that alreday had a posted reply..on one ocasion..I edited via an EDIT label for the new text..
Again your focus on this points to a very different thought process. My goal at TED Conversations is to build an intelligent and worth while archival record and to try to build the conversation toward something resembling the kind of TED "Global Conversation" that was envioned when we were all given this amzing opportunity. It is not baout social networking or making friends.
Thanks for the tip on google spell check..that may help me alot.
Jimmy Strobl 50+
Conversations often stagnate like this... did you get the answers you were looking for?
Sarah Johnson
Jimmy Strobl 50+
There are always people at TED who don't agree with things, the only thing you can do is to try to listen to all and make the best conclusion. I'm glad to see that you've wandered off to other conversations! ^^
Sarah Johnson
Jimmy Strobl 50+
I want you too look back at this comment later in life ;D
Edit: Hope you get what I mean...
Sarah Johnson
Jimmy Strobl 50+
You don't have to keep telling lies you know! "I'm not that bright"
Sarah Johnson
Jimmy Strobl 50+
I'm also saying this to break the "stupid is cool" trend that seems to be everywhere. Now i'm not saying that you're "trying to be cool" or anything but please don't diminish yourself.
Sarah Johnson
I have sort of noticed that trend but not too much. Just more naive than anything.
I will try to not diminish myself anymore.
Jimmy Strobl 50+
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Jimmy Strobl 50+
The most important thing here is character, simply be nice and respectful (as you are).
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Jimmy Strobl 50+
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Jimmy Strobl 50+
We all need to be educated Sarah and you ARE being educated right now! ;D
Edit: One savant is Daniel Tammet, please watch the talk if you wish to learn a bit more http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_tammet_different_ways_of_knowing.html
Sarah Johnson
Jimmy Strobl 50+
Lindsay Newland Bowker 50+
12 year old savant Jacob's scimetific inisghts have ,not suprisingly, been picked apart.but .there has indeed been discussion in the scientific community that the speed of light may not be a cosmologocal constant but something that has varied over time..faster at the beginning and slower now. There was a briefly flutter over an actual measurement that seemed at first to be the "proof" but it did not hold up in replication.
My sense is we are not totally finished with the idea that the speed of light has been constant for all time.
I am not expert enough to comment on his reasoning which has to do with the fact that light bends. he's only 12. Who knows what we might learn from this very gifted person
.Savants like Jacob ( who is apparently a math wizard) use the part s of their brains where their gifts reside to a much higher level that the rest of us can achieve. I don;t think we should out of hand dismiss what is offered by a savant simply because he is a savant'.
J Ali
Interesting Article.....
Matthieu Miossec 100+
Jimmy Strobl 50+
Anyway just checked a bit about the kid and as usual I agree with you!
Sarah, if you wish to learn about Einsteins theories you first need to ask "How was he right" not "What was he wrong about"
And don't elevate anyone to all-knowing or deity (I have a feeling that's how you feel about Jacob).
Also, I don't think Eisenstein's IQ was ever tested... And IQ is just IQ not a measure of "intelligence".
Sarah Johnson
Jimmy Strobl 50+
P.S. Never apologize for not knowing, instead view it as an opportunity to learn!
Sarah Johnson
I'm glad you like this conversation. I found it interesting that the media would label him smarter than Einstein in the first place.
That's very good advice. I will never forget that.
Krisztián Pintér 200+
1. a physical theory can not be falsified by math and thought experiments. the general theory of relativity is a model that is consistent with itself. it describes a world that is or is not the reality. it can only be proven or rejected by actual experiments that contradicts with the predictions of the model.
2. the general theory of relativity is already proven false by experimental data. in fact, it was proven wrong at the time of its creation. because it can't explain the quantum phenomenon. so we already know that the GTR is only an approximation that holds only in the macro world, and fails in the micro world. but we also know that it is a very good approximation of the macro world.
Jimmy Strobl 50+
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Salim Solaiman 50+
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Salim Solaiman 50+
@Krisztian has given a very good answer about Einstein's theories. In science straight forward ultimate true / false is not there always as its a dynamically evolving subject.
Moreover could learn from Matthieu's post that's it a media hype..... which I agree can be the most probable in this particular case.
Many years back , once I met an editor of a so called very popularly known authentic Newspaper of my country with which I was disappointed with some of their report on economics , healthcare, science, even business etc which were flawed and any informed people of those subjects can understand that , where mass can get easily confused or convinced.
So asked whether he has specialist journalists to cover such special subjects. He was not comfortable to answer , just told me a Journalism is a speciality itself, why they need to a specialist of any subject? My debate was long with him.............
Since then I am very cautious about something coming in media...
Lindsay Newland Bowker 50+
Did you find about about Jacob hrough social media? What was circulated, do you recall? Wa the source someone yo usuall find credible and reliable?
What do you think now about Jacob? Have you shared that with the source of any info you reived via social media?
Jimmy Strobl 50+
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Philipp Wettmann
A student comes to prof. Einstein and complains: "The questions in this test are all the same as last year."
Einstein nods and sais: "Yes, but the answers have changed."
I think this could give rise to thoughts which might help answere your question
Sarah Johnson
Jimmy Strobl 50+
He also didn't believe in quantum physics...
We just had a bit about this (off topic) on a conversation of mine...
I think Einstein was right about many things but It's likely that he was wrong about more, maybe not so many scientific thing though but don't put him on a shelf of "all-knowing"
Sarah Johnson