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Matt Hintzke

Student, Coffman Engineers, Inc

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Refuting a quantum mechanics theory

There is a fairly popular theory first developed in the 1950's I believe that states that the universe in which we are all accustomed to is only one of an infinite number of parallel universes and that because of the concept of locality and the act that, due to quantum mechanics, all particles (and essentially objects) can be at 2 or more places at the same time, these "other places" are actually other universes. Meaning that there are inifinite number of you and me doing all different things at the same time.
However, due to simple cause and effect logic, it appears that such a thing is impossible. Every action (or effect) that happens in the universe is governed by a cause. Essentially, I believe that all actions by myself, other people, animals, and inanimate objects can be traced back to the Big Bang itself. If all constituents of math and physics have fixed values, meaning things like gravitational constants, then everything, including brainfunction can be completely defined by a previous cause. All functions are manipulated by the environment around it, whether physically, emotionally, psychologically, or habitually, and because of this, it appears that there is only 1 single way that the space-time can unfold, through infinite number of causes and effects.

Overall, what I am saying is that it appears logical to say that if we could re-enact a big bang with 100% precision, that universe's history would be identical to ours in every single way.

What do you think about this theory?

An example I thought of was this:
Are there any scientific experiments that truly give randomized results given very precise initial conditions? If you do an experiment 1,000,000 times with every initial condition exactly the same, should you not get the same result every single time? This concept can be applied to the big bang's initial conditions


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    Jun 3 2011: As far as your baseball question if everything was exactly the same it would always lead to the same outcome. The thing is every time would be different. Besides that you brought that point up while missing the point. If you threw baseballs in infinite directions with infinite amount of varying forces then the outcome would be infinitely different.
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      Jun 3 2011: No, you are correct, I don't think you are understanding what the difference between multiple outcomes are from multiple effects and one effect creating multiple outcomes (this is the idea of parallel universes). I will lay it out straight:
      Factual: Infinite number of causes, like you state (directions and forces of throwing a ball), equals infinite number of outcomes (the ball going in infinite number places)
      My contradiction to parallel universes: Parallel universes imply that one single cause can create a multitude (infinitely many) of effects.
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        Jun 3 2011: The different tendrils of cause and effect are the parallels. If you take the big bang as the cause while we are an effect we are not the effect. The pathways from the cause to the effect through all these infinite causes and effect vary. The variances are the parallels.
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          Jun 3 2011: So are you saying that somewhere in a parallel universe, you are a quarter back for the New England Patriots, and are doing warm-ups instead of writing this text? If such a thing could occur, at what point in tracing back all the causes and effects of how your life transpired was there a deviation from your life right now? If the Big bang occurred exactly the same way in both the universes, the total effects in all of space-time of each should theoretically be the same, so where in that ongoing domino effect of causality do you become a QB rather than who you are today?
        • Jun 6 2011: May I know what caused the big bang? From what I read, the universe was created after the big bang, but what about prior to the big bang? Was there any existence or any intelligence?
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        Jun 3 2011: I still don't understand how you can can say that there are an infinite amount of cause and effect and yet argue that there is only one pointed outcome. That statement contradicts itself. If there are infinite possible cause and effects then there are infinite possible outcomes. Just because our minds tend to focus on one possibility doesn't mean that there is only one. It's not where I become a QB rather than who I am today, it's that I am a QB while I am who I am today.
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          Jun 3 2011: There is one effect for cause, yet there are trillions of each in the universe..I don't see how you don't understand that. Try to imagine every particle passing through the room you are in right now and bouncing off objects. The forces between the particle and the surface of the object is the cause, the resulting bouncing is the effect. Yet there are trillions and trillions of particles all doing this at the same time...
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        Jun 4 2011: Sometimes there are different possible causes to an effect, sometimes one cause can lead to different effects. The key thing I am having difficulties with is you say infinite amount of cause and effect. With infinite comes every possibility playing out somewhere. So we are developed as we are based on this effect from a tendral of cause and effect. On a different tendral is where you are the QB. These tendrils occur in the infinite amount of cause and effect. Different tendrals are spin offs from a junction in the path of the first dimension. The first dimension being your linear progression of cause and effect. When a cause leads to an effect that another cause can lead to there must be another effect that can be derived being that there are two causes. Then when following the line of C/E there is choice t this point these choice cause the divergence between me, myself and I. While this also expands past the point of joining me with myself it connects all as a species. There are Venn areas in the tendrals.
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          Jun 4 2011: This is impossible.

          The present is only a preview of the future, the timeline is technically predetermined, that is why we are incapable of determining the future.

          If there are multiple possible effects to a cause, than this would imply that free will exists within atoms.
          Even if atoms are capable of thought, they would not be capable of randomly defining the future, because even human thought is predetermined.
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        Jun 4 2011: First off you contradict yourself, if the future timeline was predetermined it would not only be entirely possible but in fact relatively easy to predict the future. Second why does an atom need to think?
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          Jun 5 2011: They don't "think" (whatever that means), that's why I said "this would imply" as a means of nullifying your claim.

          The future is predetermined, therefore it is impossible to predict it.

          If I told you exactly what you're about to do, then you would not do exactly as you were about to do. Because the conditions of the situation have changed.
        • Jun 19 2011: pre-knowledge would change the initial conditions, making the initial future determination incorrect.. however if the predictions were made based on pre-knowledge, then the future should as you said be determinable.

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