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Will Islam gradually become the most dominant religion in the world?
I can't help wondering how passionately western people debate on Islam! What is really weird is to see them quoting Koran. I'm just curious is it the sign that Islam gradually puts other religions in shade?
MIni Sarla
Tim Colgan 50+
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Debra Smith 200+
Jim Moonan 30+
people will con into Islam by internet etc.”
My fervent hope is that the internet does what it ultimately does best: Bring to light the truth about things, in which case Islam and the other world religions will be exposed for being what they largely are (yes, they provide something of a moral compass for some - not talking about that part - talking about the resyt of what) Antiquated documents that should be seen as such and left on the shelf when it comes to understanding the ever-evolving life that is the earth.
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
this is what all Muslims believe it.
and God promised this is Koran:
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/9:33
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/48:28
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/61:9
serhad yavuz
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S.R. Ahmadi 20+
Lee J. Panek III
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
it has a beautiful face.
Wesley Smith
Maja Covic 20+
In 1500 years they have not moved beyond "men are a degree above women" - Quran 2:228
Everyone else has.
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
Rhett Dudley
Rhett Dudley
The time of religion is over, we do not need religion to justifiy being moral...
Debra Smith 200+
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Debra Smith 200+
Peace be upon you my nonprognosticating friend!
You are correct that a phrase like 'fastest growing' is meaningless. My point is that atheists are not winning as many converts as Rhett might suppose.
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
I respect them if they not stop seeking and research for truth.
they do not recognize fake religion as true religion.
they have not found truth.
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Tim Colgan 50+
There are two common theories on this topic:
1) Islam is at war with the west and will fight to destroy the west and send it into another dark age.
2) Islam will modernize as it interacts with the west.
If #1 is correct, then I think we are doomed. More likely #2 is correct as when there is interaction, the natural desire to participate in the fruits of modern society becomes the dominant force.
In any case, the main way to make #1 true is to continue bombing Muslims. The main way to make number #2 true is to interact as equals.
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
about 1)
not agree. western people are good and rational people and I do not think any war will happen by them. problem is by background lobbies controlling US and killing Muslims in Palestine.
2) true
finally this happens:
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/9:33
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/48:28
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/61:9
actually a mix of 1&2 will happen.
Tim Colgan 50+
AND WHAT THE ADMIN DID TO THIS THREAD IS TED CENSORSHIP. PLEASE STOP IT!
Budimir Zdravkovic 20+
Timothy Ferrer
Budimir Zdravkovic 20+
Timothy Ferrer
Budimir wrote: "....that doesn't mean Muslim people will acquire power and infringe on our liberties ..."
You kidding me!!!
They already have. Wake up. We already have compromised in our freedom of expression.
Proof: No major news media can publish Mohammad cartoon in any big way in prime time broadcast.
Do you think this self censorship is because the West think Mohammad's character was so great that it would be unfair to make fun of Mohammad or is it due to the fear of terror from Muslim group.
Wake up West.....we already have compromised in some aspect of our way of life, our cherished value.
Oksana Onufryk 10+
You might be right, I'm not sure though, that intelligence doesn't need any gods. Supposing you are right, but what if god is an absolute intellect we fail to understand? Science has many gaps as well, and it is not a perfect source we can rely on.
Richard Dawson 30+
"Muslim girl, 19, 'stoned to death after taking part in beauty contest'"
"Police have opened a murder investigation and are looking into claims that three Muslim youths killed her, claiming her death was justified under Islam."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392454/Muslim-girl-Katya-Koren-19-stoned-death-beauty-contest-Ukraine.html
Maybe we could have a little less "discipline"?
Budimir Zdravkovic 20+
Islam is not gonna touch on how I live my life because I'd rather die before I let that happen, I don't care to read or know what the Koran is about and I do have choice in the matter. Religion is not the operating system of a society, it's members are, we are moving in the direction where we can rationalize the meaning of our existence without being mislead by primitive customs like religious customs. So speak for yourself.
Budimir Zdravkovic 20+
Debra Smith 200+
Budimir Zdravkovic 20+
Yeah I'm not big fan of sweeping generalizations, if one thing public polls show that people really make smart political decisions. Among other things climbing up in the hierarchy of society could mean nothing more than being well connected or being able to manipulate, its not a real indication of intelligence or more importantly moral character. Finally just like oksana seems to be making a sweeping generalization about Muslims in europe I will make one about the ones in America. Many of them are taxi drivers.
Budimir Zdravkovic 20+
I think it's a long stretch to say that our liberties are gonna be taken away just because everyone agreed not to draw mohammad. The western nations are only acknowledging that yeah some of you who get riled up over this are crazed idiots with zero common sense so we don't wanna provoke unnecessary slaughter. But I am sure if the western nations declared war there would be causalities but terrorists wouldn't win.
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
whats your idea about after life?
what happens after death?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager
please reply with proof.
Debra Smith 200+
Oksana Onufryk 10+
First, I'm not a pro-Islam person. I can't say I know Muslims well and their lifestyles is none of my business. Actually I'm just a neutral observer of all that hypocritical fuss over Muslims.
Second, though Crimea is situated in Ukraine, ethnic Ukrainians never lived there and we don't have right to interfere. Radical Muslims are rare here and there is no proof that this article is not a cock and bull story, you know a lot is written on Net these days..
I think eastern Europe is quite inconvenient place and not that tolerant as the developed world. All these skinhead movements here are a bit dangerous, you know.
And finally, don't distort my words about discipline. What I meant was that we are laxer than Muslims and that is their strength. They are survives unlike common Europeans/Americans who are easily shocked and pissed off with minor problems.
PS I have an acquaintance who left for the Middle East a couple of years ago and lives quite happily there. The truth is she had to change the religion (what I don't quite approve), but has never been beaten nor tortured by her Muslim husband.
Budimir Zdravkovic 20+
Debra Smith 200+
I think that the very first step is to get our own houses in order and take a good long look in the mirror at our own country's actions rather than point fingers at others. I still think asking and answering questions is an awesome route forward.
Budimir Zdravkovic 20+
The link gave me several options for Pascal but when I get more time I am gonna look at it. What kind of a proof are you looking for? I am assuming you are looking for a proof that God is not real and I will let you now that is impossible. In fact even completely proving a positive thing is not completely possible if we are relying on induction, so in either case we have to both agree that our knowledge is not certain. But when trying to prove a negative you absolutely cannot rely on logic or science, or anything for that matter because it is something you haven't witnessed
Timothy Ferrer
It was removed by TED earlier.
Title: Instead of spending trillions of $ on war we should spend on to find a way to curb Islamic Meme Machine and repair Islamic neural network.
Conversation: I was born and raised in a Islamic country and society. I been there, done that. I know every genetic code of Muslim, I know every Islamic neurons. I am an insider.
Many otherwise very smart Moslem do taqiyya (deception when Muslims are weak in the foreign land or worldwide) and other Muslims do that not consciously or maliciously, but habitually, instinctively, because they have been strongly programmed to do so. Islam and Muslims do seek world domination. They think world will be a better place using Sharia laws, Quranic laws, Mohammad's saying and deeds.
Speaker tried to hide behind the "interpretation" of Quran. But he omit the clear cut wrong or harmful laws in the Quran. It is not a matter of interpretation that 2 women witness is equal to 1 man witness. It is in the quran. Zakat (mandatory charity) money can't be used to help the needy non-Muslims. Kill the kafir (infidel) wherever you find them. There are many barbaric, bad, harmful teachings are in the Quran.
Worse is that Quran never have gone through the cleansing process that Old Testament have gone through. And eventually we got the separation of church and state. There is no such thing as separation of church and state in Islam.
Islamic Memes are far stronger than that of Christianity, Hindi or Jews. Muslims higher birthrate coupled with Islamic strong Memetic can circumvent thousands of years of evolution (natural selection) and overcum Western relatively much advance society in just a couple of generation. Yes, it is possible to see at lest partially Islamic Europe and America.
What does this mean?
West has and will continue to compromise its cherished virtues as freedom of expression, liberty, equal rights, right to apostasy etc.
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
I disagree you about your ideas about Koran.
can you say some clear examples from Koran by mentioning the related verse?
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Debra Smith 200+
Rafi Amin 20+
Tom Beaumont
Here I use a Christian example, 25% percent of Americans identify themselves as Evangelical Christians, an increasing figure from prior census. Evangelicals are far from reasonable and accepting of science, they subscribe to a religion that moves away from moderate Christianity. Evangelical churches spring up at an alarming rate, and more and more Americans are embracing this religion.
There are obviously more issues at play here but we should not discount the ability of religion to form belief, within even the most developed of global societies.
madhava kotagiri
Simeon Denk
loop johnny 30+
1. The Koran preaches improved procreation ( i.e. all Muslim families are very numerous, thus bolstering the numbers, one child at a time )
2. Children that are born in Muslim families have the Islamic faith imposed on them by their parents when they are not fully capable of understanding what they assimilate. Later on that dogma is stuck in their heads and pilled up with fear. After that it is extremely hard to leave that vicious circle ( the punishment for apostasy is death, for example ) .
Khalid Al Khalili
http://www.ted.com/talks/mustafa_akyol_faith_versus_tradition_in_islam.html
Another example of culture (albeit retarded in some places) vs. actual Islam.
AbdelRahman Siddig
http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?s=19c5585254cc7edab6c03ef0f1c173f1&t=2630
Raphaël Musio
Philosophy, Philosophy of sciences and Science will give a new direction to the word “spirituality".
loop johnny 30+
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
they are real thinkers and real seekers of truth.
I hope they find truth before death.
loop johnny 30+
AbdelRahman Siddig
I see the opposite in long run the non believers will disappear
Raphaël Musio
The least of the things for the human futures will be an acceptance of the other cultures (thus a relativism of knowledge thus a disappearance of fundamentalism, absolutism) with an immense scientific knowledge.But there are always ignoramuses who estimate that science and religion are not opposite. in short, best is to return them to the school (fear to be wrong, a regard of oneself threatened make that there is much conformism).
sad that there are still as many believers, best is than they do not intervene in policy, than they cannot impose their silly things on the others (they have already their children, and as the poor populations tend to do many children it results from it much from believers), therefore full and whole separation of the religions and state.
loop johnny 30+
Salim Solaiman 50+
Future generations will be more and more scientific because of Internet and mobile phone technology and their access to it cum opporunity of sharing ideas globally through social networking.
Logics
Future generations will not only be exposed to dumb answers to their basic question from their physical surroundings, rather they will get multiple thought from open source information which will make them think critically more so will be more creative and more scientific.
So more archaic any belief system is quicker those will walk through the path of extinction.
loop johnny 30+
Salim Solaiman 50+
Thanks for sharing (no worry could ignore that"f" word & looked for the meaning beyond)
Khalid Al Khalili
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
if we assume religion=church then nice pic!
loop johnny 30+
Noel Lane
Debra Smith 200+
loop johnny 30+
Oksana Onufryk 10+
'There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords without guns, without conquest. We don't need terrorists, we don't need homicide bombers. The 50 millions Muslims in Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades'
Muammar Gaddafi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjtEMEuIQGM
Tim Colgan 50+
"As believers we call upon you to join the effort, share the gospel message with the changing world. This is a call to action."
What, are we supposed to have more nookie?
Fauzan Shah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINChFxRXQs
Tim Colgan 50+
I'm still under the impression, though, that demographic trends indicate that the populations of Europe and North America will become a majority of people from other places. Not that anyone should be objecting to that, but it seems a basic fact. Do you disagree?
Oksana Onufryk 10+
On the other hand it's natural process that people migrate in search of a better life and there is really nothing so scary and disturbing.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/video/2011/mar/18/germany-angela-merkel#start-of-comments
Julie Ann 10+
Fauzan Shah
The EU's stance on Turkey, UK changing it's immigration rules along with what Oksana mentioned, it shows they are thinking about this, and trying to reverse it.
However, one thing to remember is that it's very easy to write this of as a conspiracy theory, but it's something which people will undoubtedly use as material to flame anti-West sentiments in most Muslim nations, so could add further fuel to the fire.
Julie Ann 10+
Hopefully that's fueling the fire for verbal discussions on all sides :-)
Fauzan Shah
I was born and grew up in Pakistan, and I know how emotional people can get, and the sad part is that it's the educated people who get caught up in this too, and promote such an attitude.
The conspiracy theories and the "we are victims" mentality is so wide spread now, it's going to take a long time for us to come back to a more rationale mentality. Of course, by rational thought I am only referring to Pakistan and can't speak for other nations, though I feel the same mentality is just as prevalent there.
Julie Ann 10+
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Tim Colgan 50+
Alireza B
Dianne McCarthy
Oksana Onufryk 10+
Hence religions won't disappear. There can only be a change of tradition, once Christianity was dominant, but the change is obvious and we don’t need any surveys to see that while people in the West do not care much about faith, Muslims, running from their autocratic regimes in the Middle East, come and successfully propagate their tradition in Europe. I am curious whether Islam can adjust to European mentality, i.e. become less strict and what consequence it might cause in future.
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Tim Colgan 50+
sha b
It means once you are born into a Muslim society or became Muslim there would be no way out for you,
Richard Dawson 30+
And there is also the sharia which makes women and non-Muslims permanently inferior.
This is from your fellow Iranian Amil Imani:
"Islam: A Religion-Custom Made For Men"
http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=196&Itemid=2
"Muslims’ Sheep Mentality"
http://www.amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=173&Itemid=2
"Admittedly, the non-Islamic culture is no panacea. It has, however, one outstanding feature that Islamic lacks—it allows for liberty with all its attendants— good, bad, or indifferent. For those who have experienced liberty, no inducement is likely to make them give it up—particularly not the fictional promises of the Islamists that have failed in the past and are doomed to fail even more miserably in the future."
PS sha b I always thought halal was a way of killing an animal for meat. But the way you are using it - it means being ok? right? holy?
sha b
Halal meat : It's ok to eat it, (because of the way the animal is killed-They believe the blood should run out- and if you kill it by injection dirty blood remains inside and the meat would be haram)
When something is halal it means it's approved by Shari'e , Like when a man and woman marry, They say the woman is halal for him. The opposite of it is haram.(Doing anything haram is against Shari'e)
And about Shi'es and Sunnis: They aren't considered apostates, They just both think the other is wrong.
The one you might have in your mind must be Bahais, which is another story. Bahaies are considered apostates by some Muslims I know . (Ironically Bahais are the most logic religious people I know)
Richard Dawson 30+
It is some kind of insanity when people believe that other people should be killed for their beliefs. But I have hope when there are people like you in Iran.
Islam has the most comprehensive system of indoctrination of any ideology in the world. In the words of Amil Imani
"Whereas democracy is defined as the rule of the people, by the people, for the people, Islam is defined as the rule of Allah, by Allah and his emissaries, for the pleasure of Allah. And when people, out of concern for political correctness or ignorance, describe Islam as a religion of peace, they are, at the very least, guilty of misrepresenting it.
If only the masses of Muslims arise and carry out the orders of Allah, then we would have the promised paradise of Islam on earth as exemplified by such rules as that of the Taliban, Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, and of course the Shiite nirvana of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Islam is a comprehensive totalitarian form of slavery. It is the opposite of freedom. Its very name, Islam means submission or surrender. True to its name, Islam strives for nothing short of enslavement of the body of humanity as well as the bondage of its mind. This non-negotiable surrender to Islam requires the individual, as well as the society, to disenfranchise themselves of many of the fundamental and deeply cherished human rights"
Tim Colgan 50+
Holy Book Religions are dangerous. Period.
Combined with poverty they are doubly dangerous.
Richard Dawson 30+
I could tell you something very rude to do with your Bible, but I would be censored.
sha b
Tim Colgan 50+
The battle is not against Islam. It's against archaic thought.
Richard Dawson 30+
Thus the "balance" that you claim to portray actually paints a picture of falsehood that the West is just as bad or worse than the Islamic world. A picture that is readily accepted by the Muslim world and espoused by their apologists in the west.
The truth is the West has progressive laws and secularism and the Muslim world has discriminatory Sharia laws and archaic theocracy.
"The battle is not against Islam. It's against archaic thought."
That is an oxymoron. Islam is archaic thought. You seem to be unable to grasp that.
Tim Colgan 50+
For you, a non-Muslim, singling out Muslims as the culprits of the world's problems is a bit biased.
Hinduism, Christianity and Judaism have gone through a process of secularization. Islam is in that process as well. The world will be a lot better off when all are simply considered ancient myths.
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
why? this is not true about all holy books.
God did not send any new holy book after Koran? and Koran is not deviated and flexible by sayings formulas not specific rules.
what this mean?
do you know Koran enough?
can you say some examples specifically from Koran?
"For you, a non-Muslim, singling out Muslims as the culprits of the world's problems is a bit biased."
I not understand. please say clear.
Islam not consider non-Muslim, singling out Muslims as the culprits of the world's problems. only few cult of non-Muslim are such in view of Islam.
"Islam is in that process as well"
what you mean by Islam? (Islam is near 72 branch)
'The world will be a lot better off when all are simply considered ancient myths."
please explain this.
peace
Debra Smith 200+
In the world of people who are trying to get along and find common ground I absolutely agree with your statement: 'Using holy books as your foundation is inherently dangerous.'
AMEN
Tim Colgan 50+
"Using holy books as your foundation is inherently dangerous"
why?
Because the holy books of Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism have all been used to justify:
. war
. slavery
. oppression of woman
. mistreatment of homosexuals
It is often said that this is due to misinterpretation. But when law is based on ancient holy texts versus modern legal structures these things are inevitable.
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
I agree. even believing in Big bang and Evolution as a god.
Dear Richard,
"built into itself safeguards against change."
disagree! you do not know Islam. do you know what is Fitwa? the principals are fix but second level of sharia laws are made according to new needs of society.
"Shia's are apostates in the eyes of Sunnis and Sunnis in the eyes of Shias."
this is not true generally. only in some few cases.
"Islam is a comprehensive totalitarian form of slavery."
disagree. Islam is opposite of slavery. but when islam cane to Arabia slavery was mixed by culture very much and Islam tried to remove it step by step. not immediately (impossible) so seems Islam has slavery. slaves has many rights in islam and making a slave free in Islam has a high reward by God. please do not mix the culture of Arabs by Islam. only please research about slave in Koran.
"Islam means submission or surrender."
yes, but submission to God and freedom from worldly ties (greed, ...)
"From their manifesto"
Islam is the greatest danger for England imperialism and making such thing there is not amazing.
Dear Tim,
holy book is base and details are not in book and are made according to every day needs. book is like law of physics that can apply to many cases and making many new tools.
" Islam is archaic thought."
Islam is both archaic and new. because it is flexible.
Salim Solaiman 50+
Discussion in western world (there are also muslim people in western world) going on to understand each other better that's the way I see it................
If you look into statistics and compare data , say of 1950 Vs 2011 regarding people's identity on the basis of their belief system, you will see a great percentage of people in 2011 boldly expressing their identity being atheist or non religious. That shift in trend shows where we are moving forward............
yalcin kaya
We are 99.9% genetically same. We also posses 99.9% the same values; we appreciate to be alive, we love people that love us unconditionally, and we care about the people we love. When we learn to love unconditionally, love will override our prejudices' and we will learn to live together.
There will be a time, when we won't fear any more, than, there will be no room for religion to live and no doubt that logic and science prevail. Religion will be remembered as an era, where people have believed in something that they didn't know.
@Richard Dawson. How do you feel about other religions becoming extinct?
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
"We are 99.9% genetically same."
agree,
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/49:13
"Religons are stories made by people for people,"
even Koran? how human can make something like Koran?
no one claimed until now can make a sura like Koran.
http://tanzil.net/#trans/en.sahih/2:23
what is relation of fear and religion?
Debra Smith 200+
They appear to satisfy a strong human need of intense belonging that can be provided by a religous community in a disjointed world.
Underdogs catch the emotion and attention of the world and they have often been percieved as underdogs.
They have a substantial birth rate and many are emmigrating to nations that are warm and welcoming.
Their men are sober so more of their energies can be harvested for their own communties and good works.
If they really treat their own people kindly and care for one another it is a powerful vision with deep attraction for many.
It will ultimately decline as people learn more about the world by internet etc. Isolated people can be convinced of the version of a story for a time but give them access to information about the wider world and people' curiosity takes over.
If they do not get a handle on women's rights they will not have the warm welcome that they recieved in the past and that is starting already.
Oksana Onufryk 10+
Tim Colgan 50+
Would just add that the people of the "developed world" are going to be overwhelmed demographically by those of the "undeveloped world". Something we just need to accept.
Debra Smith 200+
We need to start asking the really hard questions in a direct and polite manner right now.
That's why i talk about my daughter-in-law and to a lesser extent my daughter's time in Saudi. They have to answer to the world NOW not someday when the demographics are victorious why 50% of people have no rights. They should be asked why right now - one of my sons had a Saudi roommate at university in Canada who was given a SLAVE for his 16th birthday. They should answer now why it was OK for Muhammad to have a 6 year old wife and why women must be covered and uneducated when Muhammads' first wives were educated business women who had the bank roll.
We can ask fair questions now or we can face the consequences later. But we also have to be fair now as in the case of Palestine.
Noel Lane
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
there is no world wider then Islam.
people will con into Islam by internet etc.
Isolated people are who have controlled media and think Islam is bin ladan.
what is definition of women's rights?
please do not prejudice about Islam by Saudi.
6 year old wife is not real. she was 15-17 year. its recorded different aged in different historical books from 6 to 22 years. and real was 15-17. also in warm countries girls grow faster.
"why women must be covered"
in Islam woman is special for her husband to protect and support family and childs training. family is very and child train important in Islam.
"Muhammads' first wives were educated business women who had the bank roll. "
prophet had only one wife until she died. and she spent all her money for prophet love and expanding Islam and then they had a poor life. and then all his wives were old widows for special reasons but one young (Aisha) that has its own story.
Dear Tim,
what is developed world? only technology? and developed military? what about spirituality and moral?
Tim Colgan 50+
tausif chowdhury
i born in a Muslim family and off course i read Quran, but i also read bible, Gita, Iching and every single holly book possible. none of the religion told us to lie or fight. this is the beauty of religion. :)
i just want to say one thing, i think it will explain everything.
you dont need religion for being a good person, but you do need religion for go to heaven/hell.
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Salim Solaiman 50+
Thanks for sharing
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
can you say Persian version of that poem?
I think you interpret Persian poem by their surface meaning.
Persian Poem is full of metaphor
Jim Moonan 30+
My fervent hope is that the internet does what it ultimately does best: Bring to light the truth about things, in which case Islam and the other world religions will be exposed for being what they largely are (yes, they provide something of a moral compass for some - not talking about that part) Antiquated documents that should be seen as such and left on the shelf when it comes to understanding and living fully the ever-evolving life that is the earth.
sha b
ایـــن نقـــــــد بگیــــــر و دست از آن نسیـــه بـــــدار کـــــــآواز دهـــــــــل شنیــــــدن از دور خــوش است
Jim Moonan 30+
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
Dear Richard,
that poem says there is no need to wait for death to enjoy Heaven. right now you can feel they enjoys of heaven by having close relation to God.
for example here Khayyam says I already see the Heaven every where.
if you be a friend of God your spiritual eye opens and you see Heaven around yourself already before death.
چندانکه نگاه می کنم هر سویی
در باغ روان است ز کوثر جویی
صحرا چو بهشت است ز کوثر کم گوی
بنشین به بهشت با بهشتی رویی
translate is something like this:
when I look around
in garden is a river from Kowsar (a special pool in Heaven)
Deseret is like Heaven, say less about Heaven
sit in Heaven with a Houri
S.R. Ahmadi 20+
it is translated or poem Richard said in Persian.