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Is it easier to approach science artistically or to explain science artistically?

Artistic thinking requires a high level of critical thought. Practiced, disciplined, and open. Please, critical thinking is a valuable phrase to understand, search engine it.

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So is it harder to think artistically or to explain science artistically? (Do you feel a lot of important factors in both direction would be left out into considerations? Or?)

We are all born natural scientist with a natural curiosity to the world; developing intense thinking and understanding towards our interest in life. If we are able to have such chances. Scientist today are usually considered the people in which study fields of the sciences (again the modern day usage). However our forefathers of philosophy are more often considered scientist amongst those times and today.

POINT: Why can't science be presented artistically? Art, in today understandings, is the expression of emotion in response to our cognitive educations through out our lives. Usually the popular form of art is what is done at high level of artistic thinking.

Science should be presented like pop-culture is presented today. Referencing pop-culture: Auto-tunes. But really all instruments, colors, and [but not] limited to martial arts became what they are today due to sciences. Ex:Jeet kune do, our advanced color wheel, and electric instruments.

Aristotle was a scientist in which to understand the physical world as a whole or metaphysics. Mozart was a scientist of composing. What are you a scientist of/over?

Why can't information be presented as art just as much as our creative emotions/thoughts? Wouldn't information be more fun to absorb if it was presented in a more"catchy" or exciting way? How can science be presented in an artist manner?

Myth Busters does a great job with keeping science fun with hands on experiments. Bill Nye the Science Guy. TED. Give some more example of where science is presented as art.

My favorite example is: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=1430
Youtube: Symphony of science

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      May 14 2011: http://www.numbernut.com/
      http://www.khanacademy.org/
      http://mathworld.wolfram.com/
      http://www.c4lpt.co.uk/Showcase/100langlearning.html
      (Just a few more sites to add here)

      Yes, Khan Academy is awesome! Youtube is great if you use it right. Interesting how it is the number one music player in the world!

      Can you find the rap?

      Check out my examples of art and science, think you will really like them!
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          May 16 2011: Thanks for the link!

          yes, that is a problem with the symphony in my opinion too, but it could show how famous people are only famous because of auto-tunes and that talent isn't really what is takes as much as a pretty face.

          Considering most people value money more than creative expression. Going to have to convince them they will make money off of selling science. Which is humorous and depressing at the same time.

          I read a Justin Bieber interview where this kid shamelessly says "school was never my thing, no fun in it" I am paraphrasing, but this little jerk is famous for being an idiot, talent that I seen in person at talent shows and better! I do not hate him because he is famous, I hate him because I bet his I.Q is 80 and the scientist who are making our lives better are lucky to make 60 grand a year.

          I am trying to figure out how science can be so catchy anyone will be like "This is awesome! and I am learning!" It's like taboo in America to put those two phrases together.
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          May 16 2011: Hi Griffin, you make a good point. I get the feeling that most adults already have a set idea of what science is about, and if they don't like that conception of science they won't get into science videos made by people who like science for people who like science. It seems to me, and I've heard this before, that something happens between elementary school and college - kids stop asking questions. Children are famous for relentless questions. Kids are natural scientists. But adults, working a job and paying rent, aren't.

          It looks to me like one of the biggest hurdles to making science popular is figuring out what it is about our educational system that is derailing a persons natural curiosity. I also lament the indifference or even dismissive behavior found in Hollywood and elsewhere. But that's just a symptom, the root cause lies somewhere else.

          There must be a cultural change, and that change can only come through greater general understanding of the scientific method, it's underlying philosophies, and the ideas of critical reasoning. (pardon my hyperbole for a moment) The best way to increase that knowledge is to educate our children. And one of the first things that should be taught is that science is not counter to art.

          But education alone is not enough. Action needs to be taken now. Politicians (and the science journalism they rely on) are all to often poorly trained in science. It is critical for them to understand science. The issues they report on and have to decide on are critically relevant to our society. I read two books recently, 'Unscientific America' and 'Physics for Future Presidents', both of which highlighted the need for increased scientific understanding for our media and our politics. (end hyperbole)

          I think that Nick's idea for a scifi class is a good one. We need ideas like that if we are going to integrate science into our everyday culture.
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    May 14 2011: Excellent question!

    I don't think that there has to be any separation between science and art. Knowing about electromagnetism, stellar development, or atmospheric conditions, does nothing to detract from the beauty of a sunset. Quite the opposite in fact. A scientist can be just as moved by beauty and emotion as anyone else, and thus can appreciate and create art as easily as anyone else can.

    And, as you pointed out, an artist can be just as methodical and critical of their art as anyone else. I love Mozart, but JS Bach was probably the master of imbuing music theory with life, though really, that one goes to judges to decide. They're both phenomenal. And I know that Ansel Adams knew a lot about light, and understood it's properties in a fundamental way.

    I really enjoy Brian Cox's "Wonders of the Solar System" (Artistically done more than art, but the filming is exquisite, much akin to Planet Earth), and xkcd.com. Phil Plait over at Bad Astronomy has been featuring a lot of high quality time lapse videos of the sky, and has many links to numerous goofy, fun, entertaining, and artistic science stuff all the time, such as George Rhab.
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      May 14 2011: The direction I came from to create the question is from an education stand point. Public entertainment rarely gives education in an entertaining fashion. Schools (unless a wealthy district) do not have the "hands on" education in which a lot of children need to understand science fully.

      So all public educations are not sparking interest in sciences and maths yet these are the fields that will take us to the stars, the bottom of the ocean, to the center of the earth, and everywhere else. They should be presented in that way. These fields of study involving science are the modern explorations of the universe.

      Thanks for all the names!! I will add them (and their stuff) to the list I created of where to find fun and science. Yes, Bach, exceptional, my brother use to play his pieces on his bass to practice.
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        May 15 2011: I agree. What would you do to teach science in a more entertaining and profound manner?
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          May 15 2011: That is my question!

          I guess it all depends on what the subject is being taught. But really besides examples of television shows, science labs, and possibly music. My list is short. Which is why I created this conversation. To get more ideas of how to teach science in more exciting ways.

          Science fiction class is a top consideration for me.
          http://www.ted.com/conversations/2505/reading_science_fiction_for_a.html

          The inspiration for this conversation came from that one.

          Check out my example in the description thought, the video by PhD comics is great! And the symphony of science is pretty cool.
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        May 15 2011: I like the sci-fi idea, definitely intriguing. As that is developing at the other conversation, I'll make my comments on it there. But first I have to read and think, for there is a lot of good stuff there that I have yet to get too!

        But I do have a few ideas. One in particular for music. Ditch the crappy sounding plastic recorders from elementary school (I'm assuming you had those too), and get larger, shareable instruments. Maybe the huge floor piano from 'Big'. You'd only need one or two for a class, and the cost can be spread over the lifetime of the instrument. More importantly, the sound quality can be much better than the shriek of plastic recorders.

        Also, get some of those timelapse people to make high quality videos that capture scientific principles (Most especially in atmospheric events, geology, ecology, and biology.)

        And maybe focus a bit more on the principles of science in early education through middle school, with high school and college being focused more on it's application. Teach the principles of the scientific method, what's a hypothesis, what's a theory, how to properly conduct a test and why that's the proper way. Maybe this could be done by getting kids to make theories and perform experiments. When I was in 2nd grade our teacher got water, snow, and ice in equal amounts, and had us estimate how long the snow and ice would take to melt. Then the teacher put them out on the shelf and we compared the results. I think more stuff like that would be great!

        Those are some of the ideas I've been tossing around, and so any help with them would be appreciated!
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          May 16 2011: When I try to think about lesson plans I try to think about group-learning, kids learn great when working with others. Try making a lesson plan!

          Music should totally be emphasized more in school! All art for that manner.

          Know any good websites that provide simple lesson plans for teaching kids?

          I got some for critical thinking, but not many on basic science theories, concepts, and general ideas.