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What is the use of education without freedom of speech? Is it useless? Do you really have freedom of speech?

If you live in a country where there is no freedom of speech, is getting an education a waste of time? In school you would be told what to think, government would use education as a way to preach their propaganda, you would not be able to question, criticize, and express your opinions, why go to school then?

Also, Is it possible to have real freedom of speech? Some people believe that there is no such thing as complete freedom of speech anywhere in the world. What do you think? My country, Brazil, does not have real freedom of speech. Newpapers still get censored. A brazilian newspaper has been under censorship for a year now, they have been prohibited to publish any news about the investigations that a corrupt politician was going through.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/world/americas/31brazil.html

Noam Chomsly says that the U.S.A. has more protections for freedom of speech than other countries. Is that true?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHrW8IPwFIg

How is it like in your country?

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    May 14 2011: No! No! No! Jafia -Education is freedom. Even if I, a woman lived in Saudi Arabia, an education would show me that I live in a far bigger world than is being represented by my narrow society. Even if you take the gift of reading which might be taught to you in a restricted set of topics- it enables you- whenever the opportunity arises to read anything. This is why many regimes do not want education (especially of women). Math skills allow you to figure out when you are being fed propaganda.

    With an education even without freedom of speach you get to converse with the greatest minds of history and science, philosophy, neuroscience- or whatever in the form of literature.They sharpen your thinking, challenge your assumptions and help you defeat the greatest tyranies which tell you WHAT to think.

    I live in Canada and we have a fairly free society (I think) but education has made me even freer.
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      May 15 2011: Hi Debra,
      I appreciate your comment and it reminded me of Malalai Joya. Have you heard of her? Here's a great video about something incredible that she did: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLC1KBrwbck

      I think that reading skills are very important, but if what people are reading is propaganda then I don't think that it would make a difference. As for math, how can it allow you to figure out when you are being fed propaganda?
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        May 15 2011: Jafia, Thank you so much for that video! I had not seen it before and my heart swelled and crowed as Malalai Joya spoke. Her truth was so plain and so heartful and so easily snubbed.

        Reading propaganda is clearly a double edged sword. However, once we own the skill of reading we can apply it to anything that comes along- a leaflet published by someone brave, a book we find that has fallen out of a backpack. We are ready for providence to put something before our eyes. I have confidence that people- especially kids are smart and they notice the incongruities and the flaws in everything. And they wonder......
        Math is one of the skills I most cherish. Most of the real propaganda is very subtle and most of the most compelling propaganda is 'proven' by statistics and numerical representations to prove the point. Anyone with good math literacy can begin to detect what sorts of manipulation were used to 'prove' the point and they can observe when the numbers do not make sense. Even in a closed society- our minds are fabulous at noticing what is not being said.

        My point is that getting all the education you can- no matter what form it initially comes in- empowers women in many ways. It is easy for societies to dismiss 'an uneducated person'. It is easy for an uneducated person to feel 'less than' and to bow to the 'educated' ones when their minds and perceptions are just as clear (or clearer). Education exercises the brain and gives us tools that help us express ourselves, interact with great thinkers in literature and by ordering and weighing inputs it allows us to surmount indoctrination and oppression
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    May 12 2011: i would say math education is highly useful even in a dictatorship. history probably not so much.

    surely it is possible, why not? how do we get there, it is an open question. i believe not before majority of people realize that it is not right to force their views on others.
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    May 12 2011: American view points (some may apply anywhere however): High school curriculum needs courses like "Constitution Analysis" "Political-social philosophy" "Citizen Awareness Studies" instead of a boring history class about America's hand full of wars repeated year after year.

    We do have freedom of speech however we are not in full range of knowing what to be speaking so yeah it is almost like not having free speech at all. this is where friends and family and social circles are supposed to come into play. But all three are developed inside of a culture in which does not give full scope knowledge of all the needed information. Those who are internet literate/wise understand where to get many sources of information from, and this is now scaring the corporations of America so much they are trying to privatize our internet access. Check out "Net Neutrality"

    If you do not teach citizens you only have followers in a system instead of active participators. Those who are rich could care less about others, so if you are in wealthy circles do you best to open the eyes to those around you to dictate how much money can solve these problems if those with it decided to use it for all and not just their families. A hurdle like no other indeed.

    We need to just keep talking about it and talking about it until everyone is talking about politics and then change will happen.

    One president can't do s*** alone or he will be meeting the same fates as those American presidents in history who have tried to create significant change. Press the issues among others and the issues with be more illuminated. Freedom is now taken, not a right. The rights were designed to ensure freedom but if no one takes the actions needed for such, then the freedom is controlled by those in the position to do so. America it is the big corporations through lobbies

    Documentaries: "The One Percent" "Capitalism: A love story" "The War You Don't See" "Gasland" "Sicko" "This Film is Not Yet Rated"
  • May 26 2011: Actually education does work, but only in a surprisingly narrow band of circumstances which means slowly and slowly. Educating is a crucial tool that people can assist their society because todays children will create tomorrows new generations. It is basically very easy to alter children`s minds relative to the old individuals. Moreover, there are very less countries in the world having freedom of speech. This frustrating problem will be solved with increasing the levels of education in terms of morally and intellectually. In brief, even if you are in the most open minded society many have prejudices on specific topics; therefore, the solution to it is just: do not say every right in everyplace.
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      May 26 2011: I read a study that supports these ideas. I have no idea where though so I apologize for that at the outset. It said that the single predictor of a family's ability to rise from poverty was the highest level of education attained by one of its members. So if everyone gets a primary school education that is very good but if one member gets a BA or BSC that can really open doors. Again, sorry that I can't supply the evidence this time.
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    May 14 2011: Yes Jafia , education (it's not traditional certification given by school / college / university I am talking about) is needed as it will give one the opportunity to find out real time & way to "SPEAK UP"

    Real freedom of speech is really an abstract thing at this point of the time.

    I don't know what Noam Chomsky wanted to say by saying more protection when Jullian Assange is looking for protection (though I was with Chomsky before )

    My country is definitely no better than your Brazil I guess , though I see whatever press have they are misusing it through "Yellow Journalism" which is a huge frustration to me. Rather I find social media to be a better window.
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      May 15 2011: Salim,
      Thanks for posting. Have you started writing your book yet? :)

      How would that non-traditional education work? Because it seems like any books would be censored, and reading such books would be worse than not reading at all because it would simply be reinforcing propaganda.
      So, in your opinion how those other methods of education work?
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        May 15 2011: JafiaYou are welcome. ha ha you haven't forgot neither am I, couple days back while waiting to catch my connecting flight was thinking of my commitment to you & Bridia & thought to start writing right away. But gave up thinking being a novice I shouldn't start in the hustle bustle of airport , you deserve more attention. Already selected couple of names for that & will let you know once started :)

        I know what you meant by censoring books, but I think it's more dangerous than that. What they are doing is mixing half truth with damn lie to make it pseudo lie which is worse than damn lie. One of our contemporary anti-establishment writer cried in his poetry (translating it now)

        Never ever for a while
        Oh my beloved kids
        Believe on those printed lies
        Truth is far away by mile

        But this era of of internet,cell phone & ipads it's easy to access different sources for any one who wants to go closer to the real fact that's the good news.

        Well it's difficult to give a structure to an non traditional learning method as we are used to with in the framework of traditional system. Just if we can keep people curious they will pull from different sources to learn.

        Don't want to go back to ancient time when there was no formal education system, just giving an example of a person of my country how it worked

        Born in 1900 in a proverty striken remote village of Bangladesh in the midst of midveal thoughts. No money to go to school just could learn to read & write Bangla then had to run after earning bread at that early age.

        His curiosity didn't die, kept on reading books available in village then moved to nearest urban library read everything written in Bangla. Finally he wrote a number of books on philosophy. To me he is one of the most educated man of my country.

        You may say that's not applicable in broad term, yes you are right but traditional system also doesn't fit all. So open source is best option.
        Just need to keep curiosity alive that's why curious I am about curiosity
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      May 15 2011: Birdia,

      I must confess that I was not able to clearly understand what the quote means. :P Would you enlighten me?