Elhachemi Sabi

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right of protest

-This House believes that the right of protest should be frozen in period of economic crisis.

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    Apr 10 2014: Mr. Sabi,

    This house? What house? Your house or my house....

    Could you be speaking of some sort of legislative house? There could be a consensus of some legislative "house" that could have come to that conclusion or belief.. Has this house taken any actions to enforce their beliefs...
    to prevent protests during economic crisis?

    Here is the situation.... In my country, if our legislature which holds many beliefs... should take action to freeze protests in a period of economic crisis, this would probably be not well received. But, if this is about your country and your legislature then all of us would have to understand what is the culture and status of your country.
    For example is protest allowed at all, is it restricted to certain issues? If you are living in a country where personal liberties are restricted or there is completely open personal liberties, neither situation is addressed.
    So, what about a right of protest?
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    Apr 10 2014: There inalienable rights: That which is inalienable cannot be bought, sold, or transferred from one individual to another. The personal rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States are inalienable.

    There are rights: Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement; that is, rights are the fundamental normative rules about what is allowed of people or owed to people, according to some legal system, social convention, or ethical theory.

    There are privileges: A privilege is a special entitlement to immunity granted by the state or another authority to a restricted group, either by birth or on a conditional basis.

    There sometime becomes a fuzzy line of a protest being a right or a privlege ... some places require a permit ... some consider it a form of speech ....

    Just on the basis of the wording the concern is what the costs of containment and clean up will be. If yo0u ask for a permit and promised to clean up after and put a deposit down then those concerns would go away.

    Worth a try .....

    Be well. Bob.
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    Apr 10 2014: And your concern is what?

    Consider first that you are talking about a "right" which, as George Carlin so wisely opined 'if it is legislated it is a privilege, not a right. Just ask any Japanese/American who was interned in the 1940's' for example. If the state can take it away at its own choosing it is not a right. If the protests have to be conducted in a manner set down by the state and in a location set by the state, surrounded by assault troopers representing the state and within a time frame established by the state it is hard to see where "rights" ever enter into it.

    Besides, protests are irrelevant. They do not influence public officials who know they can shut them down any time they want. There have even been countless examples of state sponsored thugs in so-called democracies pretending to be legitimate protestors but who, instead, were simply state agents sent in to create violent incidents for the assault forces to be used and to discredit the protestors. .

    Direct Democracy, on the other hand, puts the authority back in the hands of the people and they don't need to take to the streets to demand input into the decision making because Direct Democracy is all about the citizenry having direct input into, and even control over, their own governance and the legislations they will have to live with.
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    Apr 7 2014: what would be a government's rationale for freezing peaceful protest?
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    Apr 4 2014: A right to protest is not a "right" if it's unilaterally frozen by those in power.

    In times of economic crisis the right to protest is even more important, since downturns are often used by business, industries and governments to push through changes in law or regulation, allowing activities not previously acceptable to the majority of the population.
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    Apr 4 2014: Elhachemi,

    Before replying I thought it would be best to get some background on Algerian protest and found this, would you say it is a fair depiction.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932011_Algerian_protests

    I'm short on time right now, so i have reply later. but I this Wiki may help other posters/TEDsters give more informed replies.
  • Apr 3 2014: Elhachemi

    Why should protests be banned in an economic crisis? Who defines an economic crisis? If government defines then a government can ban at any given time. What would constitute an economic crisis ----to be determined by government?