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Responding to biased impressions of Muslims in western and other countries

People think that Pakistan is a country where you cannot get outside of your house. People think that that Muslims don't allow their citizen to get education. Islam allows you to get education not only allows you but urges to us to get education.

If you have any questions related this topic you can freely ask me and i will make you to believe that you have wrong impression of us.

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    Mar 26 2014: Salar Ehsan,
    The first question that comes to mind, since you say that education is allowed and encouraged in Pakistan, has already been asked in comments on this thread. Are girls and women allowed and encouraged to pursue education as much as boys/men? Do women have all of the same rights as granted to men in Pakistan?

    Can you comment?

    http://www.unesco.org/education/efa/know_sharing/grassroots_stories/pakistan_2.shtml
    • Mar 26 2014: Can you answer same question for USA and support your claim by US civil right branch of Justice department? Colleen, that will be cool.

      If you can't then probably you are not as educated as you may think.
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        Mar 26 2014: RAJ PATEL,
        What question are you referring to? The education of girls/women? I think I can confidently say that girls/women in the USA have more opportunities regarding rights and education. That's all you need to do is look at statistics, and one doesn't have to be extremely educated to do that:>)
        • Mar 26 2014: Colleen;

          "Allowed and encouraged" and then same rights to men and women.

          If you have more then feeling like study or adjudication by Justice department, please enlighten us. If you have just feeling that it is the case, you are welcome to your feelings butt not the facts.
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        Mar 27 2014: RAJ PATEL,
        I have NOT written anything about "feeling", in this comment thread. I posted one link regarding education in Pakistan, and I suggested that one can find LOTS of statistics (facts) regarding education and women's rights in Pakistan.

        salar ehsan, the author of this conversation, wrote..."If you have any questions related this topic you can freely ask me and i will make you to believe that you have wrong impression of us."

        I asked about girls/women's education and rights in Pakistan, and I respectfully await a response from salar ehsan. It has already been brought to your attention RAJ PATEL, that you are simply offering accusations, which are not addressing the topic question.

        In addition to statistics, which can be easily accessed from reliable sources, I have Pakistani friends, some of whom I met here at TED, who are very willing and able to discuss challenges in Pakistan.

        If you are trying to "make" us believe that we have the wrong impression, you are not addressing the issues in a very beneficial way.
        • Mar 27 2014: Colleen:

          I appreciate your involvement and having Pakistani friends. That is good.

          The information that might be of interest to you, that I posted somewhere else in this conversation. Pakistan has about 80 girls for every 100 boys. That is not bad. In sparsely populated part of Pakistan girls enrollment can be way down.In Punjab and Sindhi it can be high. Cities have higher ratio of women than men.

          Thank you
          RAJ
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        Mar 27 2014: In USA universities, diversity is a high priority goal, not only because American businesses desire diversity but because diversity improves the education experience for the students.
        And I must add that women tend to out preform men in universities, there is no doubt that men and women are different but that does mean they are not equal.
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        Mar 27 2014: RAJ PATEL,
        I noticed your comment in which you state..."Pakistan has about 80 girls per 100 boys in the schools".

        That does not seem consistent with information that is available.....statistics.....facts.

        Women's education in Pakistan
        From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
        "Education plays a pivotal role in developing human capital in any society. Education has become a universal human right all around the globe. Article thirty seven of the Constitution of Pakistan stipulates that education is a fundamental right of every citizen,[1] but still gender discrepancies exist in the educational sector. According to the 2011 Human Development Report of the United Nations Development Program, approximately twice as many males as females receive a secondary education in Pakistan, and public expenditures on education amount to only 2.7% of the GDP of the country.[2]"
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          Mar 27 2014: Plus, let's not forget Malala.
        • Mar 27 2014: Pakistan is one of the worst country about education. Male or female not enough attention is paid. But thing shave changed lot in last few years.

          Relatively very few men and women are educated even to literary level.

          My figures comes from UNESCO , Global Education initiative or fund and some other related sources. They are giving 20 % difference at large. But % of education age getting educated is very small.

          Wicki is editable by any one so I generally like to go to UN related organization. But I go to wicki more often then to UN for general guide.

          My problem is not with you. We are talking about ideas and not personal issue.

          Best wishes
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        Mar 27 2014: RAJ PATEL,
        Perhaps you will notice that the link I provided is from UNESCO - education for all - a report by Aamir Latif of Pakistan. You say that is where YOUR figures come from, but the figures you offer do not seem to be consistent with the link I provided. Here it is again, in case you missed it...I asked salar ehsan, the author of this conversation, to comment on it in my first comment in this conversation.

        http://www.unesco.org/education/efa/know_sharing/grassroots_stories/pakistan_2.shtml

        You seem to have changed your story now to reflect that "Pakistan is one of the worst country about education"...."Relatively very few men and women are educated even to literary level."

        At first you said "Pakistan has about 80 girls for every 100 boys. That is not bad".
        • Mar 27 2014: We are getting into semantics. That has no end.
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        Mar 27 2014: RAJ PATEL,
        The meaning of semantics is...
        "Linguistics...The study or science of meaning in language....The study of relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent. Also called semasiology....The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form..."

        You clearly stated... "Pakistan has about 80 girls for every 100 boys. That is not bad".

        This is not about semantics, it is about providing misleading information.
      • Mar 27 2014: 14th Amendment to the US Constitution:

        "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

        Later laws banned gender discrimination in employment, education, housing and a wide variety of other areas.

        We even now require that universities spend equal amounts of money on men's and women's sports scholarships, even though men's sports generate far more revenue.


        In the United States, more women attend college than men. More women graduate college than men.

        http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2011/gender-gap-in-education.aspx


        As for the specifics of your question, by branch? The Department of Education's mission:
        http://www2.ed.gov/about/what-we-do.html
        "The mission of the Department of Education is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access."

        Equal Access being the relevant part to this to[pic. Digging:

        http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/know.html

        "OCR enforces several Federal civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination in programs or activities that receive Federal funds from the Department of Education. These laws prohibit discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin, sex, disability, and on the basis of age. "


        Gender (sex) being the one appropriate to the question being asked.
      • Mar 27 2014: Could you answer the question put to you directly and honestly in addition to deflecting and criticizing? I'd say that, if you are an example of Pakistan, Pakistan is full of dishonest people.
        • Mar 28 2014: You are entitle to your opinion and I am mine. This place afford us an opportunity to exchange. That include for you to say other dishonest. I shy away from that practice.
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        Apr 1 2014: RAJ PATEL,
        With all due respect, you are not offering an "exchange" with ideas about the topic as presented.

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