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How do individuals decide what is right rather than what is convenient to do?

In his Talk, Edward Snowden mentioned that he choose to act based on what was right rather than what was convenient for him. I think that this particular topic should be further explored, especially when there exists significant personal costs and risks?

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    Mar 27 2014: Why decide what is right? What can right get you? Who is in the market for right? What would society do with right?

    I am a perfect example of how choosing right is wrong. Those of you who have been to my discussion know I advocate complete human immunity to disease. Choosing "right" does lead to immunity. It's great to be immune but it is not great to try to share the knowledge. Even here, the concept of obtaining "immunity" is boarder line offensive.

    People truly believe they are "right" enough know that if immunity was possible they would already know about it or have it.

    Even the typical thought process for answering this question is wrong. Look at the answers, how complicated they are. Look at the BELIEF injected into them. The comments are romantic, attractive and probably pretty popular but the fact is being RIGHT means being arrogant and standing alone. Right contradicts everything we know or believe.

    That's all I have to say about that because this is another topic that can only go round and round. At least when discussing immunity, immunity is the extremely accessible result. We cannot save the world or change the world we can talk about if for days, years and decades but we cannot save it. Immunity on the other hand can be obtained by the middle of next month.

    Do people want immunity, not at the expense of accepting just how wrong "right" is. "Right" is a belief today, once it becomes an action results will materialize.
    • Mar 27 2014: It appears your viewpoint on right and wrong follows a subjective thought train. E. Snowden did not believe the same way. He said he acted on what he knew "was right". He did not determine what was right or wrong. HE KNEW what was RIGHT and determined or decided to do that as opposed to the more convenient thing.The sense of RIGHT in universal. The choice to do right is not.
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        Mar 27 2014: E. Snowden was incapable of enjoying full immunity to disease. He too missed the point and the fruits of being right. "Right" escapes everyone. "Right" contradicts everything we "BELIEVE".

        Right makes free energy. Right makes cures. Right makes prevention for disease. Right makes the population stable. Right makes the environment safe. Right eliminates poverty. Right brings peace of mind.

        The problem today is RIGHT is whatever one chooses to believe is right which is why there is no free energy, cures, preventions, equality, clean environments or peace of mind.

        On the internet you all can talk about what is right or wrong but only in your personal lives can you enjoy the benefits of being right.

        You and I cannot save the environment by ourselves but we can be immune to disease by ourselves. Now if obtaining immunity is not RIGHT enough for you to pursue than forget the rest because immunity is in your hands and if one does not pursue it what would indicate one would pursue things out of their hands?

        Esteban knows why I came to Ted. I came here to give people ONE solid tangible "RIGHT" and that is the fact that man has the ability to be immune to disease and has always had it. You "believe" me to be wrong but you have no justification to "believe" me to be wrong other than the fact that you like Esteban would know about it because you guys are knowledgeable people.

        Everything one believes is wrong.
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        Mar 27 2014: Right or Truth lead to solid factual tangible results. Anything that falls short of tangible factual results is just and idea, dream, belief or speculation. MOVE ON to the next idea. Everything today is proven to fail and NO ONE moves on.

        I think your intentions are good Esteban but I can't be certain. It almost looks like you are trying to complicate the simplicity of the value of being right. It's almost like you want "right" to be a mystical "thing" and not a matter of fact thing. It's like you are justifying shortcomings by making choosing right a complicated issue.

        The masses refuse to choose right because that is the way they are being raised, that is our educational system. We are being raised to fail because in failure is profit. Success solves the problem, success comes from being "right".

        I wrote more than was needed. My opening statement was sufficient. Right renders results and success. What doesn't isn't right. Failure is profitable and right is not.
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          Mar 27 2014: I expect everyone in every thread in TED Conversations means well when he shares his point of view. When a troll occasionally joins us who does not mean well, he is usually identified and exited pretty quickly.

          The other term of use I might mention, as you are new here, which I don't think is something you personally need to worry about but which may explain some discussions on the site is that proselytizing is against the term of use.

          So, for example, someone might believe she recognizes the absolute truth because,for example, God told her what's true, or right, and what's not.! So she is certain she knows. But on TED you are unlikely to hear someone say she knows the Truth because God told her and that those who deny that truth do so only because they have personal or moral flaws. That sort of explicit pushing of faith would be a violation of terms of use. Missionary sorts of activities are outside the bounds here.

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        • Mar 28 2014: I also felt the sting of the hosting prowess of Fritzie. TED is great because it consist of people who chose to do the right thing. Being drawn here based on our intellect and need to sustain it and share it we all posses a certain awareness. This is why trolling is not a "major" issue.

          Fritzie could have said you and you are close to breaking terms of use. Fritzie may not have felt we were close to breaking terms and may have said what was said coincidentally. However there is a hint of truth in his statement that made me and apparently Esteban take note.

          Esteban has confirmed without breaking terms of use to me that we share an understanding of the origin of TRUTH. Fritzie has not confirmed a solidified opinion but as host has contributed and guided the conversation accordingly. Esteban and now I know we cannot PROSELYTIZE the truth if we want to enjoy using TED. Fritzie will not proselytize the truth because he is duty bound as host.

          But WE all know the truth? RIGHT? (note i am pressing you to agree or disagree) Wether you agree or disagree; Is the truth not the same? That is the real question.
        • Mar 28 2014: We all write more then we need to. We have accepted the truth but as you state it is not our nature to "move on" we are analytically subjective. We are slaves or subject to our bodies and minds. These among other things. The barriers that prevent us from saying the truth directly force us to mystify the truth with over wording and explanation. Rest assured that we are all discussing the same truth.
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          Mar 28 2014: I agree David, that this conversation seems to complicate simplicity!

          Excuse me for a moment......off topic......
          Is that a brook trout or rainbow trout you are holding??? WOW that's a good catch!
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        Mar 28 2014: Francisco F Moreno

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        Francisco, I have taken my forum down and my website. Yes I accept donation, don't get too many but I do accept and I have non-profit status.

        I took my forum and website down to use Facebook instead. I figured if people can't talk about immunity, prevention and cures in a social setting then it probably isn't something I should continue to share. People are often timid when it comes to openly contradicting mainstream popular commercial science and medicine. There are not too many other places on the internet were it is permissible to contradict commercial medicine and science. That is the reason there are no real improvements in commercial health care it is censored.
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        Mar 28 2014: Colleen it is a Idaho Steelhead. A hatchery fish, hatched in a hatchery then released as a smote allowed to travel from Idaho to the Pacific ocean to grow to adult and then come back to Idaho to spawn which means get trapped and taken to the hatchery again to keep the cycle going.

        It's a no no to take a native steelhead out of the water.
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          Mar 29 2014: Thanks David....I was in the ball park guessing it was a rainbow.....rainbow/steelhead! I've caught rainbow trout here in Vermont, but NEVER THAT big!!! Mostly 1-5 lbs.:>)
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        Mar 27 2014: Esteban, there is no way you can have any experience in being right. Society is sabotaged that way. All you can do is speculate what is right. Hence the lengthy wordy comment on such a simple situation.

        It doesn't not take feat of greatness to turn an idea/belief into a fact or into a "right". Not nearly as complicated as you are under the impression it is or can be.

        It's not your fault, we are a profit driven society not a result driven society. "Right" seems like a difficult task hence it being worthy of a discussion in your mind. If you want "right" it's RIGHT there in front of you, you simply need to accept it in it's simplest form.

        If a "belief" can become a "right" it will happen with intense efficiency. Efficiency you cannot imagine because of your social upbringing. Dilly dallying in matters that cannot be proven true or false is a waste of time and energy and makes up the upbringing that is crippling you and society. That is why DEBATE is so popular, people trying to turn a wrong into a right. Right always works its way out with the utmost efficiency if someone wants the right to be known.

        However censorship is live and well. Almost everything I have shared here on Ted would be banned elsewhere. I'm grateful that no one is attacking me here because anywhere else I would be attacked without mercy.

        Being "right" is probably a lot like being "immune". Maybe we have to make both socially acceptable before we can be right or immune on a cultural social level. Can I get a thumbs up for being right? :)
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          Mar 27 2014: The terms of use do not allow personal attacks. If it ever happens to you, David, please flag the offending comment so moderators can delete it.

          The whole point of TED is to encourage the airing of different points of view, as long as people present their ideas respectfully.

          Beyond these simple terms, it is up to individuals to put their energy and attention into the exchanges that they find valuable or productive.
        • Mar 27 2014: I feel the passion behind Davids arguments. I hear more an argument against the things that control our decision to do right rather than David actually arguing that he does not know what right is. We know whats right. David your are right today doing the right thing is scoffed and discredited. Personal Value and Ethics heavily outweigh our moral sense.

          "Right always works its way out with the utmost efficiency if someone wants the right to be known. " -David Flowers

          "Even if "Right" is a belief today that becomes a reality tomorrow it remains being the right which induces individuals to act seeking certain rightful results to materialize." -Esteban Trevino

          "Because we are discussing the topic of RIGHT and all desire the RIGHT answer, we have alll come to the same RIGHT conclusion." -Roman Salmon

          Thats is some major philosophy right there ^^^
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        Mar 27 2014: I'm not quite sure what I have gotten myself into Roman. Spending the better part of the day on Ted may be someone what counterproductive, especially in matter of what is right or what is wrong.

        When I work with people with the intention to help them be healthy, when I am right they become healthy even immune to disease.

        When I fish and I put the RIGHT bait out there when the fish are hungry they bite and I have sushi.

        When I golf and I hit the ball just RIGHT it goes right where I want it to go.

        When I bowl and my form is RIGHT the pins all fall down.

        If I try to help a person be healthy and I am wrong I fail. If my bait is wrong and the timing is wrong I fail to catch fish. If my golf swing is wrong I slice or hook. If my approach to my release is wrong when bowling I throw gutter balls.

        I'm a simple man. I have the ability, when I am RIGHT, to be a great golfer, bowler, fisherman and above all "healer" (using the term healer loosely because it's not my immune system healing others, it is theirs through my help).

        Talking about a great golf swing doesn't make a great golfer. Talking about shooting straight doesn't make a hunter a straight shooter. Doing what needs to be done and doing it the right way is productive time well spent.

        What good is a "right" if it isn't well spent?
        • Mar 28 2014: LOL David and Esteban are both RIGHT again lol....

          Even if we attack each other kindly due to the fact that we differ we are all aware to be as polite as we can be. I can hear it in your writing. I am trying to display it in my own.

          Esteban restated what I said. Do not argue the point of being Right just accept being Right. We all concur.

          This was amazing for me. I signed in and created this account just recently although I have reviewed material from this site before. I am writing a book Human Life 101 in which I have done a little research into this very topic. I have been able to explore much with this and have been truly entertained.

          Fritzie shared some enlightening info regarding the logic controlling our decisions. The speeches were both very powerful visual/audio aids to highlight the subject matter here.I will propose this. In addition to Dan Ariely's: Are we in control of our decisions? and Our Buggy Moral Code. Watch the playlist: Are you there GOD?
        • Mar 28 2014: David you keep hinting at this knowledge of HEALTH EXPERTISE. I am very much interested in your healing KNOWLEDGE/POWER. How do we connect outside of this topic? can i leave contact info here.
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      • Mar 28 2014: I like the concept you bring up here.

        "Now when someone who is wrong tells me that I am right I wonder if someone is recognizing what is right or agreeing with me because I be wrong. To me being informed that I be right or wrong distracts from focusing on what be right. It's not about who is right or wrong it is about what is right."

        You also touch on arrogance. You my friend are keeping this conversation alive. A person who is truly right will recognize when they are "SO" right that they are wrong. If being right causes someone to misinterpret our truth we "may" be going about expressing truth in the wrong way.

        I find that if someone says "MAN you are always right!!" this can sound condescending. No one wants to feel wrong so it hurst for them to feel you are right. If chosen we can all pursue right.

        So remind yourself, as i will do so for myself, that it does not matter the source of RIGHT or TRUTH it only matters how you decide to adhere.
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          Mar 28 2014: Roman, Esteban and I are starting to get to the meat of the matter of gaining control of the immune system. It is not an easy topic to discuss because the immune system does not work via verbal or visual stimulation other than placebo and placebo isn't worthy of anyone attention yet the entire industry of natural medicine relies solely on placebo which irks me. It use to rely on unseen "electrochemical" signals back in the day when natural medicine was once effective. No longer. You can see my profile and link up to my Facebook page. I have taken my forum down and my website because they cost me money I do not earn with my work in healing and they prevent people from becoming socially responsible so I wish to try Facebook.

          There is far less information on my FB page than on my forum or website but its FREE!

          If I could get meaningful conversations on forum I would leave it up. As it is, I just tell the truth and there is little if anything to discuss, Nothing kills a discussion like truth. The same goes for health and healing, nothing kills an industry like a cure or immunity.

          I'm glad you are getting some use out of Esteban's and my discussion. I'm more practical hands on and Esteban is more philosophical. I don't have the patience to be philosophical, I once was but time is a factor. I dedicated 20 years at a poverty level to develop my current understanding of immunity and how to obtain it and now I am forever playing catchup or run the risk of living in a card board box.

          Who would have thought that the keys to immunity would be so financially devastating? I didn't but now I know better. Immunity is for individuals who want it, not for profit. I do charge but it is not likely to net a profit.

          I would be open to starting a new question on "how do you obtain immunity" but it would be tricky,, first because I would be the one answering my own question and second the answer would not render immunity to those who read it.

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