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what is Wisdom and can Wisdom be found in DNA?

is wisdom the same as thinking? are animals rational? does animals have good and devil? is Wisdom the difference of human and animal? What makes us human? Is it the struggle of base nature versus elevated reason? Is it a balance between selfish survival and selfless charity towards others? Is it the development of something greater, a soul? Or are we nothing more than aggressive expansionistic creatures of instinct, draped in guise of rationality? Are we no different than any other species, only achieving dominance because we are the current evolutionary best that has yet to be sent into entropy by the Darwinian reaper? What are we, does a duality exist, has humanity been elevated to a greater plane, or are we creatures of nature, that have progressed rapidly due to the advantages we have been give? As Plato stated “know thyself”, what is humanity?

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    Apr 26 2011: Wisdom is only in the eye of the beholder - like if a tree in the forest falls, does it make a noise if no one hears it. I believe the definition of "wisdom" is ever changing within our world of cultures. I don't think wisdom is in our genes but based rather in our sense and interpretation of our surroundings. I believe wisdom cannot exist without the exchange of ideas between humans.
    • Apr 27 2011: Dear Richard Spencer,
      if we consider this definition for wisdom, then what is your idea?
      "the ability of forgiving a reward while is argued to achieve a better reward."
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    Apr 26 2011: 1) Is wisdom the same as thinking? No
    2) are animals rational? Some a bit more than others
    3) does animals have good and devil? depends on your definition of evil
    4) is Wisdom the difference of human and animal? it can be a gradual difference
    5) What makes us human? a lot of things, but depends on the definition
    6) Is it the struggle of base nature versus elevated reason? No
    7) Is it a balance between selfish survival and selfless charity towards others? No
    8) Is it the development of something greater, a soul? No
    9) Or are we nothing more than aggressive expansionistic creatures of instinct, draped in guise of rationality? No
    10) Are we no different than any other species, only achieving dominance because we are the current evolutionary best that has yet to be sent into entropy by the Darwinian reaper? No
    11) What are we? Humans
    12) does a duality exist? depends on the definition
    13) has humanity been elevated to a greater plane? No
    14) or are we creatures of nature? yes
    15) that have progressed rapidly due to the advantages we have been give? yes
    16) As Plato stated “know thyself”, what is humanity?
    Humanity is the whole that is created by all things human.

    Let me ask you one question:
    Are you afraid of these naturalistic ideas and consequences on your thinking?
    • Apr 27 2011: Dear Christophe Cop,
      "Are you afraid of these naturalistic ideas and consequences on your thinking? "
      No.
  • Jun 19 2011: has Wisdom any definition in science?
    wisdom is what controls human from doing what human likes to do.

    wisdom for human is like bridle for horse.
  • Jun 11 2011: did any scientific research studied Wisdom as difference of human and apes?
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    May 24 2011: Wisdom is the accumulation and application of knowledge. So by that definition DNA could display wisdom by manner of evolution, accumulating knowledge of environment and applying that knowledge to adapt to the surroundings.
    • May 25 2011: so why only human has wisdom?
      other species too have accumulation and application of knowledge.
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        May 25 2011: Why do you say that only humans have wisdom?
        • May 28 2011: according to definition of wisdom only human accept advise.
          wisdom = the ability of accepting advice.
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        May 30 2011: I am entirely unfamiliar with that definition. At the same time I must say it also shows that other animals can be wise. You can advice a dog how to get to food in a tricky spot. There are many examples that other animals utilize advise. What of when deer are grazing and one picks up on a near danger and advises the rest of the group to run?
        • Jun 7 2011: hello,
          please distinguish between advice and training by repeat and reward and punish. can a dog learn at first time by comparing future results and decide to select to do or not do advised saying.
          also please distinguish between pre-programmed behavior of animals.
          for example a new born baby knows how and from where drink milk with no train and no education.
          about deer it is pre programmed. not advice.
          advice is for example seen in stock exchange market.
  • May 24 2011: is Wisdom the real difference of human and animal?
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    May 2 2011: DNA holds memory. Its like the hard drive of life only much more complex. There is absolutely no way it came into existence by accident or chance. Impossible! Even Crick admitted to its complexity.

    Wisdom relates to ones consciousness verse ones unconsciousness/subconsciousness. Consciousness is an intrinsic experience and is not situated in the brain. Our brain is merely a translation device that is modeled to 'capture' experiences through the 5 sensors. It then transmits the translated information to ones consciousness which is the product of our spirit/soul. Spirit or Soul - same thing.
    All information stored in DNA is increased/improved through experiences and carried over to the next.

    DNA is essentially Light. We are essentially frequencies of Light that solidified in this given space. The entire universe is a hologram of light in layers making up dimensions of infinite stages physicality. Like an onion skin.

    Considering the complexities of all existence and its grand design, it would be ridiculous to assume that everything came into existence by mere chance. Just as a beautiful song plays from its orchestra, so is life well orchestrated. Well planned with purpose.

    Human beings are unique in that our limitations have infinite possibilities. We are able to explore, this reality, the reality beyond here and now, and visit timelines in other constellations/galaxies/planets. Human beings are able to view worlds through a telescope as well as the microscope. This unique ability, we are even able to explore the unseen realities through consciousness. We are different from all species known to us. Different in that we have more possibilities than the animal kingdom who has less possibilities due to their physical design. Consequently limiting animals Consciousness.

    Wisdom is the ability to reason to improve ones awareness to the point that we do not cause or create imbalances through our journeys, here and hereafter.
    • May 3 2011: so if humans and apes has such big difference why scientists humans are like apes?
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        May 4 2011: I'm not sure if I understand your question. Could you specify please?
        • May 8 2011: sorry,
          if humans and apes has such big difference (Wisdom) why scientists say humans are same as apes?
  • Apr 28 2011: I think DNA is not difference of human ans ape.
    the difference is wisdom.
    animals will not accept advice how many times you advice them.
  • Apr 27 2011: Wisdom="accepting advice"
  • Apr 27 2011: 1- Wisdom="accepting advice", "distinguishing between beautiful and ugly", "distinguishing between true and false", "interest to learning to have more power", "the ability of forgiving a reward while is argued to achieve a better reward.", "interest to learning to have more power", "forgiving a reward to have more power"
    2- Wisdom is a trait of human.
    3- living things inherit traits from their parents.
    4- A gene is a unit of heredity in a living organism
    5- DNA, is a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms. The main role of DNA molecules is the long-term storage of information.
    So:
    Wisdom should have gene in DNA.

    if DNA has no gene for Wisdom where is the Information of trait of wisdom stored?
  • Apr 27 2011: wisdom="distinguishing between beautiful and ugly"
  • Apr 27 2011: wisdom="distinguishing between true and false"
  • Apr 27 2011: another definitions for wisdom:

    wisdom="accepting advise"
  • Apr 27 2011: other definitions for wisdom:
    "the ability of forgiving a reward while is argued to achieve a better reward."

    "interest to learning to have more power"

    "forgiving a reward to have more power"

    are any workable?
  • Apr 27 2011: please consider this experiment:
    we have a human and an animal both hungry.
    we train to both: if you nor eat the meal (at amount needed to be full) and if succeed then achieve a reward.
    the reward is double the same meal.

    what is the behavior of each? if behavior is same OK. this question is useless.
    but if behavior is not the same. then why?

    I suggest this definition for wisdom:
    "the ability to not doing what is urged to be done for a reason"
    then can this be found in DNA?
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    Apr 27 2011: To answer your question. There is no gene for wisdom, because having wisdom is qualia. It is not a physical experience unless you are saying the gene itself is conscious, which I don't believe is the case. What the DNA could potentially hold is a bunch of genes that help produce the neural pathways from where wisdom emerges.

    Many creatures that act on instinct are surprisingly rational.
    • Apr 27 2011: so where is the place of wisdom?
      brain?
      so why child are wise like parents?
      how wisdom transfer to next generation?
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        Apr 27 2011: so where is the place of wisdom? yes ,brain -the biological basis of it

        why child are wise like parents? need clarification --in what way?

        how wisdom transfer to next generation? wisdom is learnt
        • Apr 27 2011: Dear Budimir Zdravkovic,
          what is definition of qualia?
        • Apr 27 2011: Dear Amily shaw,
          "how wisdom transfer to next generation? wisdom is learnt"
          you mean if a human not learn wisdom, he will not be wise? why all humans are wise. if it is learned so some people should learned it and some not..
          if a humans live alone he will not learn wisdom and he will not be wise? and do not understand false and true? or will not take advise? or will not understand beautiful and ugly?

          why animals do not learn wisdom?
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        Apr 28 2011: sounds like we have different understanding of what wisdom is . for me , wisdom is a collective term whcih consists of thinking and behaviors.

        by saying wisdom is learnt i mean we learn what is wise thru interactions with enviroments.
        can a person still be wise without that learning process? no , first ,i have never known of a man who is absolutely alone on his own. and even if there is such a person i have no idea how can he survive. and we learn( to understand )what is false and true, beautiful and ugly .

        why animals do not learn wisdom?maybe we can ask some animals and see what they think;)
        • Apr 28 2011: an absolutely alone can be under care in experimental conditions.
          you mean such human does not have wisdom?
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        Apr 28 2011: i will very shoked if someone dose that experiment cuz it involves morality issues and violates basic human rights. but even if that happens, i dont believe such a man could function as normal ,let alone wisdom.
        • Apr 28 2011: so what is the way we can experiment to see is wisdom the main difference of human and ape?
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        May 2 2011: The definition of qualia is a term used in philosophy to describe the subjective quality of conscious experience. Heres more on it
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia
        • May 3 2011: oh! OK. now I got it.
          so Dear Budimir Zdravkovic,
          are you sure wisdom is qualia?
          the example of qualia is pain of headache.
          but I do not think wisdom is a qualia.
          can you explain why wisdom is a qualia?
  • Apr 26 2011: is there any gene discovered in DNA for Wisdom?
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      Apr 26 2011: Why would that be relevant?
      • May 3 2011: if humans and apes has such big difference why scientists humans are like apes?
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      Apr 26 2011: "Is here any gene discovered for Wisdom?"

      Short Answer. No

      More my understanding of the science answer. I think wisdom might be too complex a concept to coded using one gene. If wisdom can be encoded into DNA the answer would more likely involve a person's epigenetic markers.

      Answer with a question. What's the definition of wisdom anyway? Looking at the definition "Wisdom is the ability of controlling the wished and not do them" Then No. This definition of wisdom can be trained into even a dog. "Don't poop there!, poop here!"

      If wisdom is akin to intelligence, then autism and aspergers might provide clues into a biological reason for "wisdom"
      • Apr 27 2011: epigenetic markers.are environmental factors affect characteristics of organisms in diffrent environments.
        but all humans in all environments has same wisdom.
        it appeaser the answer doesn't involve a person's epigenetic markers.

        please look at other definitions. whats your idea?

        how you say wisdom perhaps is akin to intelligence?
  • Apr 26 2011: can we consider this as a definition of wisdom?:
    "wisdom is the ability of controlling the wishes and not do them."
    can an animal control its wishes for any reason when every condition is ready? for example wish for food, water, sex, sleep,...
    is wish the same as need or different?
    if there is water in front of an animal and it is thirsty, can control itself and do not drink water?
    what is a suitable definition for thinking?
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      Apr 26 2011: Just give a working definition of what you think wisdom is, and we'll debate from there.

      I would change "wish" with "drift" or "urge" or "emotional longings" or "instincts"

      Maybe wisdom is knowing from experience and thinking that controlling your emotions has benefits to oneself and society, and that the benefits of en-culturation outweigh the disadvantages.

      * Wisdom is correlated with age and intelligence, but that doesn't make it causal.

      I would say wisdom is "knowing how to behave yourself to do good".
      ( I would add that acting according to it is also a part of being wise)
      • Apr 27 2011: thanks for your change in definition.

        other definitions are:
        "the ability to not doing an urged behavior to be because a reason"
        or
        "the ability of comparing between good and evil and selecting one according a rule."
        or
        "the ability of comparing two option and selecting one according to a rule"
        or
        "the ability of forgiving a reward while is argued to achieve a better reward."
        is any workable?

        "knowing how to behave yourself to do good"
        this definition needs to good be defined first. so is it workable?
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        Apr 27 2011: I always thought wisdom was relative - in that it was defined by the receiver rather than the source...

        i.e. the source could be a witch doctor saying that the sun is angry and therefore the reason for your boils; you must then perform a walk across a hot desert under the searing sun for five hours, naked with only the herbs on your hands. After the five hours the then dried herbs wil be made into a poultice for your boils and presto you have appeased the sun god and you will be healed in a week...I would then think that that tribesman thought "what a wise witchdoctor"…

        ...or how my gemini horoscope says today: "If you're allowing money to come between you and a friend, tread carefully today. Things could get more upsetting than you mean them to and even some very strong bonds could be tested to breaking point. And if money is the issue but it's nothing to do with a friend, you do still need to tread carefully today. It's as though there's a bit of a volcanic eruption going on in your Finances Zone. This too shall pass, as the wise people say..."

        I mean spot on!!! I am having money issues with a friend who hasn't paid me back what he owes me…wow - this horoscope stuff is sooooo full of wisdom goodness!!!

        …I think this is how I define wisdom… :)