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Poch Peralta

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Would Governments Actually Obey The Online ‘Bill of Rights’?

Excerpt from Tim Berners-Lee‘s message:
‘Today, and throughout this year, we should celebrate the Web’s first 25 years. But though the mood is upbeat, we also know we are not done. We have much to do for the Web to reach its full potential. We must continue to defend its core principles and tackle some key challenges. To name just three:

“How do we connect the nearly two-thirds of the planet who can’t yet access the Web?
Who has the right to collect and use our personal data, for what purpose and under what rules?
How do we create a high-performance open architecture that will run on any device, rather than fall back into proprietary alternatives?”
http://pochp.wordpress.com/2014/03/13/magna-carta-to-protect-the-worldwideweb/

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    Mar 19 2014: Poch, Another interesting question for the deep well that we have come to know as Poch Peralta.

    All governments have interests and goals. As long as the internet can be used to further those interests and goals or that the internet does not work against those interests and goals then all is well.

    Then we come to opinion. Mine would be that in a transparent society we have LESS worries about the negative aspects than a non-transparent / socialist / communist based government where control of the population and dominance of the state is everything. In those cases we see organizarions such as NSA do what is necessary to subjugate the population and attempt to control other nation states. When we see leaders at any/all levels attempting to justify the lies and spying on its citizens we SHOULD know we are already in deep doo doo and on a path to hell.

    The problem with all three of your challenges is that some crooked lawyer will make a case for the abuse and we end up with a trial that hinges on the question, "It all dependes on what the defination of 'is' is." as used in the famous Bill Clinton trial.

    It is said that there is no cure for stupid .... and the same can be said for greed, lust, power, egos, .... and the taste for a great chocolate.

    The Magna Carta, Constitution, or all of the ideals expressed at the First Council of Nicaea are the hopes and dreams of man. Without proper leadership and the ability to enforce they are just dreams and letters on paper. To some the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an are books ... to others they are sacred and a guide to enlightenment.

    The sad truth is that the internet is a tool. I can use the knife to make you a great sandwitch or to cut into your heart. The internet cannot spit out information on you that you or someone else has not put in. A great example of this is Facebook ... My grandkids showed me the site ... I was amazed of what was shared. Not for me.

    Once again out of space. Be well. Bob.
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      Mar 19 2014: 'The problem with all three of your challenges is that some crooked lawyer will make a case for the abuse and we end up with a trial that hinges on the question, "It all dependes on what the defination of 'is' is." as used in the famous Bill Clinton trial.'

      I see your point Bob. We definitely cannot expect smooth sailing with the Net Magna Carta if ever created. It will all boil down to how many countries will approve and disapprove of the Bill---a worldwide referendum.

      'A great example of this is Facebook ... My grandkids showed me the site ... I was amazed of what was shared. Not for me.'
      Just wait until they ask you about online gross language and porno photos sir.
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        Mar 19 2014: Poch, I cannot explain gross language to me let alone to them. I covered porno in my original post ... do you mean there is more than what Bill Clinton did in the oval office and other locations?

        When my kids or grandkids ask a question I use the accepted medical terms and have never lied to them about sex or any other subject (I hope) but also ask them to do their own research in medical books and ignore the street talk. A exampole was when my granddaughter ask what F***k was. I told her it was a acronym meaning "For Unpermissive Carnal Knowledge. It came from when they put signs over the blocks in the old days that said what your crime was ... since it was so long they abbreviated it ... also that it was a vulger term used by lowerclass people and she was much better than that and I loved her. Her curiosity was satisified. It never came up again.

        We all choose the world we walk in. Guess mine is somewhat narrow.

        Thanks for the reply. I wish you well my friend. Bob.
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          Mar 19 2014: lol that was really funny Bob but I really don't care what and where else Clinton committed perversion.

          I would be very glad if you're the tutor of my kids sir. You have the instinct and seem better than a professional!

          The problem with wisely choosing the narrow road is that we meet more difficulties in it isn't it?
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        Mar 19 2014: Yeah .. but is better than living up to extremely low standards that many set for themselves.

        The rule of thumb is ... CTR ... Choose the Right ... can't go wrong there.

        Bob.
  • Mar 20 2014: Governments will abide with an Internet Bill of Rights only if it fits their needs. This would be similar to corporations and other organizations - they would collect as much data as they can ignoring rights.
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      Mar 20 2014: Now I wonder if the Bill would be like SOPA designed only for the powerful suckers.
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    Mar 19 2014: Well if a government would recognize and ratify it, then they should. In my opinion, nah, probably not. Just look at the UN and how hard it is to keep people in line in that international body. It doesn't have any real teeth. And the internet's 'teeth' is either illegal (hacking), or shallow (delivery of messages), and no government could claim to ever have the right to regulate or control those, at least in international terms, since no one nation owns the internet. Since legally, the internet is a 'ghost' a non-body, then it doesn't have power 'directly'. The internet however reinforces the power where all nations come from, the people.
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      Mar 19 2014: Your illustration using the UN is great Ariel.

      '...no government could claim to ever have the right to regulate or control those, at least in international terms, since no one nation owns the internet...'
      The US almost claimed 'to have the right to regulate or control those' when just a few days ago, it announced it will 'relinquish control of the Internet'.
    • Mar 20 2014: The UN was designed to be a toothless tiger unless the 5 permanent security council members agree to make it have teeth.
  • Mar 19 2014: I mean literally if the bill of rights was just online and no hard copy It would mean nothing
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      Mar 19 2014: lol All Bill of Rights have hard copy Eugene. Some even called it the Magna Carta of Internet.
      But maybe I should edit my question.
  • Mar 19 2014: Not if they could just delete it but an online bill of rights for distribution is a different story altogether
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      Mar 19 2014: Ahhh...I'm an activist too but not that radical Eugene :-) And it seems the US gov is more itching to do that.