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Kamran Ali

Project Internee, Atlas Honda Limited

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Do developed countries really want to see the developing and under developing countries to become developed one?

As theory of Ecological Exchange states that developed countries only use the developing and under developing countries for their own interest.

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    Mar 6 2014: In the absence of authoritative research on the point, I think the best starting hypothesis for any of us is that strangers are not smaller hearted than we are ourselves. In other words if you ask yourself what your hopes would be for people in the poorest countries in Africa, this is probably similar to what others across oceans from you would hope for suffering people- probably that they could have safe lives, good health care, access to education, fair systems of justice, and an opportunity to lead productive and meaningful lives.

    In terms of specifics, some people have strong ideas of what specifically would be best for others, while others are of the position that what should matter is what the people there want for themselves.
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      Mar 7 2014: If a country can not give benefit to other less develop country then it should not create problems for other country as well... Developed countries have more concern on environmental sides but developing countries are more concerned about their GDP sides, many times developed countries do not produce such goods which create harm for environment, there fore such countries import such goods from developing countries and under developing countries. It looks developed countries are enemies of developing and under developing countries indirectly.
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        Mar 7 2014: I better understand what you mean now. Yes, you are right that people in developing countries, like people everywhere, have a range of values they weigh differently and that environmental impacts may sometimes be at odds with economic development measured by GDP in the sense that cleaner technologies can be more expensive.
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        Mar 11 2014: Mr. Ali,
        We are living in an interconnected world. The air you're breathing today is the air someone else was breathing several days ago. The water in your river today will be in the Pacific or Atlantic at some point in time. The radiation from the Fukushima Nuclear Plant, Japan has already reached the western United States.

        This principle of interconnectedness applies in every aspect of our lives.

        "The most tangible environmental impact of China's enormous manufacturing industry is very localized: Remarkably bad urban air quality in China that occasionally closes schools, has entrepreneurs selling canned air and has caused an estimated 1.2 million premature deaths.

        But air pollution doesn't respect international borders. And a pair of recent studies has demonstrated this in striking fashion, showing that the pollution is likely increasing the strength of cyclones forming over the Pacific Ocean and even spreading detectable levels of contaminants all the way to the Western U.S.

        The research on air pollution and Pacific cyclone activity, published today in Nature Communications, involved the use of statistical modeling to calculate the effect of air pollution on overall storm formation trends over the Pacific. The research team, led by Yuan Wang of Texas A&M, created a model to simulate the role of temperature, precipitation, cloud cover and other factors in affecting the strength and frequency of Pacific cyclones.

        Then they ran the model under two scenarios: One in which the air over Asia was clean, and one that represented the enormous increases in air pollution in recent years, present in most East Asian countries but led by China, which has some of the highest levels of particulate airbone pollution worldwide."

        Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/air-pollution-china-is-spreading-across-pacific-us-180949395/#2eFIYX5fcYRDWWGu.99
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    Mar 11 2014: The answer is definitely not.

    Otherwise they wouldn't dump their electronic rubbish,chemical waste to developing countries,such as countries in Africa,China,Southeast Asia.

    The Western countries, or developed countries hold their grip on the global organizations,IMF,World Bank,the head of each of those is from the West. You know,it saliently being manipulated by the West. These organizations operates to serve the West's interests.

    In other perspective,the rising tide of developing countries,e.g. China,India,South Africa,appear to take over developed countries' global interests and standing. As you can see,the West converges as allies to defend their dominion in this current world.
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    Mar 10 2014: Yes and no at the same time, depending on whom you are asking.

    Global companies love those income-slopes, as they boost their profits. Employees in developed countries, on the other hand, love to see rising wages in countries they can not compete against without loosing theirs by loosing their jobs.

    Thats why global markets only serve a very view people, yet never the majority.
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    Mar 10 2014: We can understand a lot about this from human nature. Human beings typically love power, even though not everybody is obsessed with the pursuit of power.
    Even between lovers there are these power struggles; and this should give us a clue about relationships between pseudo-friends and enemies.

    I think that developed nations may want a certain level of growth for developing nations; a level of growth that would still give them (developed nations) the advantage of control. As parents we want our children to grow and make so much progress; but if as racists, our child decides to marry someone of another race, we reveal our true nature.
    If a nation that we claim we'd want to be truly independent, decides to outlaw a lifestyle that we think is quite trendy, we reveal our true nature.
    Our way, as far as we are concerned, is the only right way. The best way.
    We want people/nations to be democratic and independent, but we also want just enough power, no matter how little, to be in control when they see things differently from us.

    We are human; we know these things.
  • Mar 10 2014: In terms of political and economic view, I think that it is not a matter of whether developed nations want developing nations to grow or not, but a matter of survival if developed countries are to continue to exist. Reasons for this conclusion is as follows.
    The main reason for this is that when there is too much power on a certain person, nation, or entity, every single one of them has extincted because of that concentrated power. You can easily think of examples that follow this principle. In case of Europe, Roma was the greatest country and the nation conquested almost all the countries around the region. It was explicit that the developed country did not want the developing nations to grow their power. But in the end, Roma have been split into smaller counties. This kind of example are not only apply to ancient countries, but also modern companies too. Since I have limited amount of word I can use, if you want to know more about examples, just let me know.
    So back to the point, What i want to insist is that if developed countries are to survive more in the world, they have to consider the developing countries to progress together. It is because there could be no the strong with out the weak, and there could be no eternal survival without competing and cooperating with them.

    Thanks for reading my opinion, and i think that their could be language problems because I am not a native speaker. If there are any errors on grammar or vocabulary, just let me know i will rectify it immediately.
  • Mar 10 2014: Developed countries want nothing. People within those countries have conflicting wants. Therefore, yes and no.
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    Mar 8 2014: It's not up to the developed countries to decide. It's up to the developing countries to decide whether they want to develop or not. Granted, assistance from outside helps.

    Take Singapore, South Korea, and China for example. Not too long ago these countries were poor. And watch India and some Southeast Asian countries. See what happens in 20 years.

    In my opinion, any country can develop, if it's people are united and they have the political will to do so. Corruption is the leading deterrent to progress. Developed nations weeded corruption out of their system first before progress was achieved.
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      Mar 8 2014: Definitely every LDC want to be develop one, but my dear there is a strong role of developed countries in it look at the example of Mexico what it was and what it is now, after making the block with Canada and US (NAFTA). Look at the example of EU.

      Where as corruption is every where but vary in intensity and people can only be unite in the group of their interest like Religious, Racial,Ethnic etc.

      Indirectly these LDC face the problems created in the developed world like financial crises in 2009 in US.
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        Mar 9 2014: It's extremely difficult for any country to develop if it does not take full responsibility for its own destiny. The first step is to recognize that the world is now interdependently connected, economically and politically. If one country sneezes, the ones susceptible to the virus catch cold.

        The challenges then for any developing country are:
        1) How can it develop mutually beneficial alliances and friendships with other nations, especially with the developed ones who are more capable of giving assistance and security.
        2) How can it facilitate trade, commerce, and investments from other nations.

        Relationships are forged based on mutual interests and trust. Development and progress will be limited if it's mainly based on religious and ethnic lines.
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    Mar 7 2014: .
    Yes, from symbiosis.
    No, from invalid competition.
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    Mar 6 2014: That's one theory... but wouldn't economic exchange between developed countries be more beneficial to both? Not all countries have the same resources, but all. countries need all resources. If a country does not develop it's resources then there is a lack in the rest of the world..
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      Mar 7 2014: Yes no country is self sufficient, but this does not man that develop countries create problems for developing and under developing countries with trade. why developing countries are importing goods form LDCs which are creating environmental degradation, why don't they produce such goods in their own countries, here the problem is not of resources but the hidden interests.
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        Mar 7 2014: Let's eliminate outright domination by aggression, that is another conversation.
        If one developed country is a market for some resource or product and another lesser developed country provides that resource or product, that activity is basically a simple contract.

        Now if you are contending that in the activity in the providing country is causing environmental problems, or political problems or whatever, is some responsibility of the other country, I would disagree.
        However, I have heard of contracts between private companies that that specifically state that certain conditions of worker safety, environmental issues, etc.to lessen any negative effects on the producing country. Perfectly reasonable contract conditions.

        There are.... what...200 countries in the world, some developed and some not. Each country has some form of government that is responsible for the citizenry. Not some other country. Countries can be morally concerned about what happens in another country but is not responsible... a fine line

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          Mar 7 2014: This is what I said earlier, developed countries only use or do the contract with LDCs for their own interest, hence it can be said that they have no concern about the development of LDC countries. On other side developed countries feel threat from the development of LDCs...
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        Mar 7 2014: I am not sure I made myself understood.

        Countries do not usually make contracts for goods and services with other countries. Private companies in one country make contracts with private companies in other countries, that may or may not be as developed. Governments assure that these transactions are in accordance with applicable laws of the countries..

        Why would you say that developed countries feel threaten by less developed countries, On the surface that would not make much sense. Countries usually feel threatened when there is a perception, rightly or wrongly, that another country can cause damage or has threaten to cause damage. If there is no threat, there is no perception of threat. Please explain.
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          Mar 7 2014: Well my dear Mike, first of all I think you have not got my point rightly. countries do contract with other countries for trade, think from the side of import and export.

          Here I am talking about a threat in terms of equality.. if LDCs become developed, it means all countries are equal, but presently developed countries are more powerful than LDCs.. If you are powerful then there will be your hold on less powerful nations, you can use them to serve your own interest.. If such nations become powerful and equal to you, now you can not use them and now you are not superior to them..
          Hope you got what I want to convey ...