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Having land, soil, restored by individuals, without having to pay for it or to exploit the free labour of 'volunteers',+ more effectively.

Does anyone have land that they wish restored (ecosystem, soils, food sources for humans...) without having to pay for it? (no institution or government wants to pay for that).
My Experimental Foraging Station is a way of doing that. If you are interested, read my profile and the file describing the project:

This project is primarily about reducing the drift in human health, which medicine cannot stop. It is also about this planet and societal exclusion. Sharing land with those who cannot 'keep up' (e.g. women with syndromes who need a gentle but constant physical activity, or older men who wish to be in nature), to give them an opportunity to be "useful" to both planet and humanity, with dignity, in peace and health, even if they cannot 'make money', instead of being made dependent or pushed to the bottom of society's ladder, and into their grave.

Why propose this here? Because 'science' only wants what is 'advancing', 'complexifying', and will not give access to grants for such a project.

Closing Statement from marika bouchon

Kickstarter... no, I haven't tried. Just looked at the site.
I did work for a while with a well-known site (can't remember name just now) for crowd funding and science outreach, and even read their course. The result was:
making a video felt like an insurmountable obstacle
the whole process of making and marketing the appeal was far too complicated for my poor old brain,, plus I do not have 'a social network' or a professional network, so what I put on internet remains invisible.
Kickstarter is organised along the new trend, 'functional' rather than structural (menus etc.) - I cannot handle this, don't understand these sites, can't find anything, feel that it's a mess, like on facebook. I'm not of the young generation for whom it appears to be 'intuitive'. It's extreme complication to me, and anti-intuitive. I have very real limitations when it comes to functioning in the 'normal' ways, although I can do things others cannot, doing the 'natural' things in society are extreme effort to me, and often fail.
So may be Keith's offer can offset that for me, with a video.

  • Feb 16 2014: I like your idea and I make youtube videos. Go to Youtube and type "Keith W Henline" in the search bar to find all 70 of my videos on several different channels. If you like my work, I would be happy to make your videos for free.
  • Feb 20 2014: Keith, will do. See your email later today.
  • Feb 20 2014: Vera, thank you for your encouragement. I am sending you by email some summaries of my work, my approach.
    I looked at your website and the introduction article in Art World News: "understanding the real causes" of our global problems... my research finding about that (and theoretical representation) is very different to that of others, usually inverted, but also complementary. The experimental foraging station I want to establish is not a 'model' for others to follow, but an example of how allowing individuals to find their own solutions can produce what I call 'basic' options, which are systematically ignored, even though they could work in tandem with existing creative ideas. Please see your email.
  • Feb 17 2014: Keith, thank you for your offer ! I'd like to take you up on your offer.
    I watched some of your videos, and I like them. In particular, from the one of Pdt Obama opening a solar energy plant: he says

    My idea is to re-create something I hear so many youngsters and older people wish for because it keeps being destroyed and denied, which I call "green HANDS" work, not to "develop" industries that support the wasteful urban ways, not relying on "volunteers" (exploitation of free labour), but working outdoors, with nature, animals, plants = green hands.
    That is the means to restore access to keeping a sound body rather than have to fix "health", be it with natural and complementary and nutritional methods (all very big business, giving lots of jobs, but also just as wasteful in resources - "adaptive" strategies are always far more costly than maintaining integrity and being unaffected). My project is a drop against the grain of 'development', 'advancement', 'complexity', 'speeding', 'the way up', 'rising', etc., but many of the people i meet in my field research find it to their taste - just that nobodyl has a framework to express and justify it (I developed one in my theoretical work), and nobody has the guts or capacity to say "enough" AND do something about it (or attempt to, because nobody with any influence, being too comfortable, wants to).
    One way to gain access to land would be exactly... "access to public lands otherwise unused" - but for soil & human health regeneration through "green hands activity" rather than "green jobs". I have this on a website, a submission I wasted my energies writing to a local council, pushed other people. The did not even acknowledge receiving it. May be a utube video might do what I cannot - let people know: there is another option being ignored and crushed. Please contact me directly if possible. Thx
    • Feb 19 2014: Marika my email is you can also get to it with my Ted email. An outline of what you want and any other reference to the project would probably be a good start, also any time restraints. Basically tell me as much as you can about your goals and you could also list any road blocks you have already encountered so we can avoid them if possible.
  • Feb 17 2014: been there done that. if you have suggestions about how to sell the idea, or obtain sccess to land I'm open. marika
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    Feb 14 2014: Have you tried crowdfunding through an avenue like Kickstarter?
    • Feb 15 2014: Yes, I have tried crowdfunding. I am not social enough to drive any traffic to a website, and not charismatic enough to make up an emotionally moving & attractive video.
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        Feb 15 2014: You are right that good ideas without charismatic champions often struggle. Hollow ideas with good marketing draw initial attention, but ultimately it is the combination of a good idea and some initial supporters that allows a project to get a good launch.

        There is a Derek Sivers talk on the importance of first followers. You may not be charismatic but perhaps you can sell your idea in your more quiet way to someone who can help you.
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        Feb 19 2014: Marika - I think your marvelous suggestions and ideas themselves are very charismatic and timely compared to the most loud presentations and "ideas" today.

        I do not think that most of the speakers on ted or shown on tv or elsewhere are truly charismatic. Moreover, what they say is commonly questionable (but even though, this turns into a good strategy for ted to provoke debates.)

        If the ideas are powerful and meaningful, you, who deliver them to public, become a very charismatic person because you're Irriplacable. Your Believing in your ideas makes You irreplaceable.

        P.S. in my previous presentations-getherings (Futuristic Town Development) I hired professional speakers - it was not a good idea - people were very disappointed that I did not speak. I'm still very shy, inspite that I easily attract people of all sorts. It is not a good strategy - to hide - when you have so much to give to others. Actually - it is a terrible sin. :) Take a look at and write to
        Maybe I'll be able to help.