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Redefine the term "rehabilitation" in context of prison

The way I understand it, prisons are established for three reasons. 1. Deterrance: fear of getting caught keeps people from committing crime. 2) segregation: Keep people who have harmed others from doing it again. 3) Rehabilitation: the idea that the criminal will change in some way so to not break the law again.

I think the idea of deterrance is good. I also believe deparating criminals is a good idea, but ONLY if they endanger others. I do not believe the current prison system is concerned with rehabilitation. The term needs to be dropped, redefined, or removed. If anything, the prison does worse than rehabilitate.

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    Feb 24 2014: 27% of TEENS on Rikers Island are placed into solitary confinement

    http://cnnnext.com/video/6915/questioning-solitary-confinement-for-teens-at-rikers-island-2-22-14/
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      Feb 24 2014: Those are really discouraging, disgusting conditions Theodore! On the other hand, teen inmates are often raped when in the general prison population, so maybe they are more safe in solitary! I am not advocating that.....I'm just sayin'.........what a horrible situation!
      • Feb 24 2014: Boredom is why teens end up in prison. Boredom is why people rape teens in prison.
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          Feb 24 2014: Why do some people choose to feel bored Rodrigo? There are so many interesting things to explore in our world, I have never chosen to feel bored. Can you help me understand the feeling, or reason for boredom?
      • Feb 24 2014: One reason is because you are a teenager in solitary confinement. Another is because it is boring at the top of the food chain. I don't believe you don't know what boredom is.
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          Feb 24 2014: You don't have to believe it Rodrigo....I'm telling you the truth....I have never felt bored because there are so many interesting things in our world to explore.

          What do you mean...."it is boring at the top of the food chain"? How does that cause boredom?
      • Feb 24 2014: Ask around. It will be an interesting thing for you to explore.
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          Feb 24 2014: I'm exploring it with you Rodrigo...asking you for your thoughts, feelings, ideas and opinions. I've explored it pretty extensively with others, including lots of guys who are incarcerated. I am interested in what you think and feel...if you would like to share that information
      • Feb 24 2014:  'It is boring' means: after we have filled our bellies and got warm next to the fire, there is an excess of energy that seeks to be used for either constructive or destructive purpose.

        The implication here is that ANY constructive or destructive act EVER committed by a human being was the result of boredom.
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          Feb 24 2014: Ok Rodrigo.....why do you think some people choose destructive and some people choose constructive?
      • Feb 24 2014: We don't choose between constructive and destructive. We simply use up energy so that we don't feel like we need to use up energy. We explore.
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          Feb 24 2014: For me, exploring uses energy, and that feels like a constructive energy....what do you think about that Rodrigo?
      • Feb 24 2014: Yes. I feel that way too. And I think we feel that way when we set out to commit a crime. Ask around.
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          Feb 24 2014: I am asking you Rodrigo.....do you think/feel that committing a crime feels constructive?
      • Feb 25 2014: Commiting a crime would alleviate boredom. And if we are materially and socially better off by it then it would feel constructive - until we are in solitary or being raped in prison. Prisons should give the opportunity to experience something really constructive. So that we can tell the difference. But I think simply telling somebody that they are in prison because it is boring at the top of the food chain will do the trick. We are intelligent. We could be more intelligent.
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          Feb 26 2014: Hi again Rodrigo,
          I've read several of your comments in other conversations, and you say several times....it is boring at the top of the food chain.

          You are suggesting that humans are at the top of the food chain, and therefor everyone is bored? If that is what you are suggesting, I do not agree.

          You say... "if we are materially and socially better off by it (crime) then it would feel constructive".

          Crime may help someone feel materially better off, if s/he has stolen something from someone, and do you honestly think that one is better off socially? Perhaps you are thinking in the social structure of criminals? I suggest that crime does not put one in a socially better off position.

          Some of the guys I interacted with in prison talked about the idea that they felt separated from society. There is a sub-society of criminals, but they felt separated from the rest of society, and were constantly on the "look out" because they knew they would eventually be caught. They expressed the idea that once they were caught, it felt better, because they knew they didn't have to worry about being caught anymore. What do you think about that?

          I totally agree with you Rodrigo...."Prisons should give the opportunity to experience something really constructive. "So that we can tell the difference." That seems like a very intelligent statement.
        • Feb 26 2014: That's what I was thinking man. There should be a way for prisoners to promote their socioeconomic status. Or maybe just their self worth. Maybe running a charity would work for some, but for most, it's about making money or gaining knowledge. I think those avenues should be made available to prisoners. And, of course, if we didn't have so many laws because of our broken legislative system, would we have the resources to make this happen. Maybe a prisoner can send some cash home to the kids. Or to the victims. Or buy a house for when he gets out. Otherwise, it's back to boredom and crime.
      • Feb 26 2014: I think that having to look over our shoulder all the time will give us something to do for a while but it gets boring. And then going to prison makes a change but that gets boring too.
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          Feb 26 2014: Hi Rodrigo!
          From what I was told by the guys I interacted with, looking over their shoulder all the time was also kind of tiring...uses up a lot of energy that might be used for something more constructive?
      • Feb 26 2014: Well let them out of pison for the afternoon so that they can go and tell the kids in school.
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          Feb 26 2014: I wholeheartedly agree that talking with school kids is helpful Rodrigo!

          There was a guy (lifer) in a facility here who started a program called "Get a Life". He was not allowed out of the facility, but the program grew to a point where classes were brought in to here him speak. Another inmate participated....then another....and another....

          Soon, there were several inmates telling their stories and leading tours of the facility explaining to kids, and other groups, how it was to live in prison, and how their life of crime eventually brought them there. It was a VERY successful program!
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          Feb 26 2014: Afterthought....

          I think/feel that society puts people behind bars thinking that the problem is solved, and we know that is not true.....right Rodrigo?
      • Feb 26 2014: I think that other people's boredom will always be a problem until we become aware of it.

        "Was" a successful program?
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          Feb 26 2014: Good point Rodrigo!
          I think/feel that anything can be a problem or challenge until we become aware of it on several different levels....excellent point!

          Yes.....unfortunately "was" a successful program! One day, the program disappeared!!! No one really knew why....the participants, counselors in the facility, correctional officers....nobody seemed to know why it was discontinued. The suspicion, is that administrators simply cancelled it because it WAS successful? If we actually decrease the incidents of crime, a lot of administrators are going to be out of a job! So sometimes, administrators don't seem to encourage and support successful programs!

          I experienced another similar incident while doing a one on one program with an inmate. It seemed to be going really well after several sessions, and he seemed to be genuinely changing his perceptions and attitude based on our conversations. One day I showed up at the facility for our regular meeting, and he was gone....they never informed me of his move, and that's all they would say is that he was moved to another facility in another part of the state!
      • Feb 26 2014: Volunteers cost nothing. People get bored; that's my philosophy!
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          Feb 26 2014: You are right Rodrigo....volunteers cost nothing, which is why we are good for the system:>)

          I understand your philosophies. You very insightfully said... "I think that other people's boredom will always be a problem until we become aware of it."

          I believe that one's own boredom will always be a problem until s/he understands it.
        • Feb 26 2014: In a privatized capitalistic prison, they don't want a decrease in crime. The more inmates, the more money they make. Pretty cool, eh? So the powers that be are not representing the people properly in this regard. We elect them, but nobody would agree with this system unless it was making them money. How can we fight against this corrupted model?
        • Feb 27 2014: Rodrigo for andy

          focus on cultivating the desirable model even-though of everything presently in place... bluntly put rather than fight against the corrupted and corruption work for creating an honest effective alternative... that makes even more money...
    • Feb 26 2014: With regards to this situation you have got to ask; Who are the worst criminals, the teens or the people that place these teens in isolation? I know the answer is the later. Secondly you have to wonder, if these authorities that know no other way of dealing with teen crime, but with inhumanity are in fact helping to create the anger in these teens which make them commit crime. Inhumane humans are basicly given the responsibility to look after and rehabilitate criminal teens. How can that possibly work and is it not a cause for concern.
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        Feb 26 2014: I believe it is a HUGE cause for concern!
      • Feb 26 2014: Mint,

        For those who believe the earth is a prison ... yea the Inhumane humans parents are basicly given the responsibility to look after and rehabilitate the criminal teens put under their tutelage ... with the caveat that sometimes a volunteer old soul incarnates into a family to teach parents brothers and sisters a thing or two...

        For those who believe the earth is a school ... to learn all kinds of lessons revolving about certain choices under uncertain circumstances ... the question shifts a bit... Some kids refuse to eat what's good for them, until they learn to like it... some parents will confiscate the sweets till desert ... the child is given the choice wether to eat or not to eat while they are not given the choice as to what to eat... hunger will eventually lead the child to eat what nourished their body, unless there is a emotio-ideological disorder... of course some parents cede to the children's tantrums ... and/or their own desires for them sweets...

        For those who believe the earth is a garden to be cultivated ...with all kinds of stuff revolving about certain choices that involve individual freedoms ... the question shifts a bit further... Some kids like to cultivate hallucinogenic psychedelic magical nightmares... until they learn something really fun to do... like cultivating wonderful divine dreams... given the choice to create anything with a mere thought ... can lead to wonderful empowering enriching situations, unless there is a emotio-ideological disorder... of course some beings cede to the tempting seduction of deception until they learn how to behave appropriately.

        Parents are basicly given the responsibility to look after and habilitate those put under their tutelage ... with the caveat that sometimes a volunteer old soul incarnates into a family to teach play and have fun with parents brothers and sisters.

        y: How can that possibly work and is it not a cause for concern.

        Eventually each learns that the best way is the best

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