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Redefine the term "rehabilitation" in context of prison

The way I understand it, prisons are established for three reasons. 1. Deterrance: fear of getting caught keeps people from committing crime. 2) segregation: Keep people who have harmed others from doing it again. 3) Rehabilitation: the idea that the criminal will change in some way so to not break the law again.

I think the idea of deterrance is good. I also believe deparating criminals is a good idea, but ONLY if they endanger others. I do not believe the current prison system is concerned with rehabilitation. The term needs to be dropped, redefined, or removed. If anything, the prison does worse than rehabilitate.

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  • Feb 17 2014: there is almost NO rehabilitation happening within our current system. not even rehabilitation for substance abuse as drugs are s easy to get in prison as on the street. there are a few tech classes available to the interested few. but too many inmate's only interest is doing their time and getting out...only to return in a short amount of time. prisoners aren't given any training or help finding jobs on release. why is the recidivism rate so high? there is very little deterrence. many spend the day with friends from the neighborhood. hey, texas fold 'em anyone?
    until we're ready to change the system - level the playing fields for non-violent crimes, possession, etc - and change our school systems to train non-college bound students in a viable trade, we're kind of screwed.
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      Feb 18 2014: Todd,
      You present some good and valid points. The recidivism rate is high because offenders usually have not changed their habits and behaviors....simple as that! If there is no alternative plan, they are probably going to do what they've always done.....then they go back to a prison facility where the patterns are reinforced.

      If we do what we've always done, we'll get what we've always gotten. We are repeating the same patterns over and over again and expecting different results....I think that is called "crazy"!

      I totally agree with you...unless/until our societal systems change, we ALL continue to reinforce the patterns.
      • Feb 18 2014: Colleen,

        Given the patter reinforces the patter and gives raise to the patter sustenance what can individuals do to change what happens? Can individuals actually change what happens? Will individuals choose to change what happens?

        BTW note that we can do what we've always done, and get different result; just as individuals can do stuff differently and get what they've always gotten...

        Given "we ALL continue to reinforce the patterns" maybe it's time to shift what we reinforce with what we think/feel/do/believe/tell/share/expect...

        I am curious how to inspire individuals to change and embrace better ways of being... and would like to know what you an others think on this matter...
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          Feb 18 2014: Some individuals choose to change Esteban, and we (society, corrections, etc.) can provide the tools they may use to change. The "cognitive self change", and other sessions I co-facilitated in correctional facilities seem to be effective.

          Most of the people incarcerated have been repeating many of the same behaviors their whole lives. Most of them (95%) are drug and/or alcohol dependent, and most of them were born into that environment. They are NOT going to change simply by putting them behind bars. They need something that will help motivate them when they are on the outside....education, skills, etc.

          People sometimes embrace different ways of behaving when/if something different is offered as a possibility. I think you know how difficult change is for people.
      • Feb 18 2014: Did a quick search for "Cognitive Self Change"
        Seem the Program focuses on the thinking behind behavior that consists of learning and demonstrating ability to:
        1- Pay attention to what each thinks.
        2- Recognize when thoughts / feelings are leading toward to particular actions.
        3- Think of new thinking patterns to think /feel /enact
        4- Practice using this new thinking in real life situations.

        A major tool of Cognitive Self Change involves a “Thinking Report” that in essence is a structured objective description of thoughts / feelings / actions, with 4 parts: 1) a brief description of the situation, 2) a list of the thoughts had, 3) a list of the feelings had, 4) a list of the attitudes or beliefs had.

        I imagine that from there it moves to explore alternatives & considerations and then to implementation.

        I understand that people 'incarcerated' have been repeating many of the same behaviors for eons most under the influence of quite addictive ideas/feelings/actions/and other stuff. Many even were born into the existing system. Of course they are NOT going to change simply by putting them somewhere. As you mentioned: They need something that will help motivate them when they are on the outside....education, skills, etc. People sometimes embrace different ways of behaving when/if something different is offered as a possibility.

        Of course the key to perceiving the possibilities resides in recognizing and paying attention to what each thinks.

        Yes I know - how difficult change is for some people... I also know how simple change is for some people... I believe that with the proper story-line change is unavoidable ... though some seek to avoid it for as long as possible rather than just embrace it and make the best of it all.

        Thanks for your comments they served to validate something I been working on...
      • Feb 18 2014: Colleen,

        Hey I see you linked the link I saw to get an idea of what you might have meant by "Cognitive Self Change". You may have noticed how I took the ideas there and generalized them (Redefine the terms) to make them applicable to everyone. In a way I took the "know thyself" and made it "know each self"!

        What is each one thinking? What is each one feeling? What are the consequences of each one's actions? What are the ramifications to each one and their surroundings? How could each one do things differently? Why does each one choose to behave as they do? etc.etc.etc.

        I realize that this conversation on one level is about redefining the term "rehabilitation" in context of prison while on a quite different level it is about how each one chooses to act and to define their habitual ways of being. We are all prisoners within our individual ways it is just that some have nicer prisons and nicer cells. Maybe it's time to improve the place we be living in...
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          Feb 18 2014: It looked like you were getting information from that link Esteban, and I noticed how you "took the ideas there and generalized them (Redefine the terms)..."

          That is why I posted the link.....to be clear.

          The ideas are already applicable to everyone Esteban, and are ideas that many of us learn as we are growing up. One can use the concepts of "cognitive self change" to redefine our lives anytime, and it can happen on many different levels for different people.

          I agree that some folks are prisoners within their own individual ways, and if you want to explore that idea, there is a good book and workbook called "Houses of Healing" "A prisoner's guide to inner power and freedom" by Robin Casarjian.
      • Feb 18 2014: Colleen,

        Just to be clear, I did mention that from a quick search,...
        Just to be clear, the link explicitly states that the program is for convicted violent criminals who meet certain criteria

        What you mentioned that those ideas are already applicable to everyone seem unsupported by the information at the link. Your other claim that they are ideas that manny of us learn as we are growing up seems to me to stand on shaky grounds given some empirical evidence, especially on how many require rehab for their and others well-being ...

        At least we agree that the ideas are applicable to everyone and each can use the concepts to 1- observe what be going on, 2- consider the possibilities and 3- acting accordingly. I was rather happily surprised to observe a similarity to stuff I had mentioned previously. Many live under the influence of their thought/feelings/beliefs/actions/stories often oblivious to their story-lines control over them.

        Thanks for the book recommendation... It may be similar to Addictive Thinking: Understanding Self-Deception by Abraham J Twerski M.D. ... curiously I read that book thinking it was about addictive thoughts rather than the thoughts processes of addicts ... was quite fascinating book to read it as I did... From that I got the notion that we are all addicts... and living under the influence of stuff ... to what each is addicted determines if it be habit or an obsession... the story line of someone being stubborn or being persistent when they simply are determined to carry forward some action... Redefine the terms can change everything
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          Feb 18 2014: I agree Esteban, that "many live under the influence of their thought/feelings/beliefs/actions/stories often oblivious to their story-lines control over them".
      • Feb 18 2014: Thus the importance of learning and demonstrating ability to:
        1- Pay attention to what each thinks.
        2- Recognize when thoughts / feelings are leading towards a particular action.
        3- Think of new thinking patterns to think /feel /enact (if need be)
        4- Practice using this new thinking in real life situations.

        I was fortunate to have had the experience of giving up a belief I held and embracing a new pattern in a prolonged conversation about knowledge management. After that 'initiation' I was able to 'freely' choose which belief to hold and allow to be under the influence of. Though unfortunately was unable to help my counterpart in that dialogue to accomplish the same feat. Given their express wish to just let the issue remain unresolved and each part separate ways I moved on. I certainly know how difficult change is for some people. Some even live under the influence of their thought/feelings/beliefs/actions/stories conscious to how these story-lines control them... and under the belief that there is nothing they can do to change their fate nor the destiny of the system in place, their role in it and a bunch of other stuff... I prefer to have faith that one can make a difference, hoping to make a difference... at the very least one can choose the attitude one will choose to cultivate going down the river...
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          Feb 19 2014: To apply the concepts of Cognitive Self Change Esteban, the first step is...
          Pay attention to YOUR thinking. It is NOT "Pay attention to what each thinks", as you have altered it Esteban.

          I am aware of how YOU like to pay attention, and analyze what "each thinks", and that is not a concept encouraged with the cognitive self change program.
      • Feb 19 2014: Colleen

        Note that :
        the concept I described includes the concept you describe
        While
        the concept you describe does not include the concept I described

        From what you just stated I take it that
        the cognitive self change program encourages focusing on just oneself thoughts
        and dealing with those ideas rather than seeking to deal with what others think.
        In other words take care of fixing your house before getting involved in fixing the neighbor's house
        or take the plank out of one's eye before the attempting to take the splinter of someone else's eye

        I saw a presentation that pointed out how to become proficient with certain steps before incorporating additional ones... Of course one ought to be proficient at paying attention and dealing effectively to what one does, rather than paying attention and dealign with what others do, especially given that tendency that some have which want to change others before chaining themselves. Still some can learn from others what they needs to learn, especially if one can report objective factual observations without getting entangled in judgment calls or interpretative justifications.

        I liked quite a bit a thought I read ... something along the lines:
        This isn't about getting you to change , its about helping you to learn how to change.

        observing / reporting / considering / enacting
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          Feb 19 2014: Yes Esteban, it is beneficial to take care of our own house before trying to fix everyone else. That is true for the cognitive self change model, and any other model we use to "know thyself". It is about changing in one "self"....cognitive SELF change:>)

          I am well aware of your idea of getting others to change and helping others to change. It needs to start with our "self" to truly be effective. We cannot give to others, something we do not have in our "self".....we cannot teach something we do not understand and/or know how to use effectively in our "self".
      • Feb 19 2014: Colleen,

        To take care of our own house, we may need to take care of other's houses! (its one way of getting the resources needed)
        Helping EACH one is a way to help others and oneself! Besides, for change to truly be effective, it just needs to be truly effective change... Noted how again : the concept I described includes the concept you describe, while the concept you describe does not include the concept I described. An please consider this as just an objective observational statement.

        Some can give to others, something that isn't in their possession, in fact some can teach something they do not understand and/or know to do/use effectively in their 'self' ... its called lip service ... sometimes giving it be the way of getting it.

        I mentioned that I liked quite a bit a thought I read, and now consider it needs refinements :
        This isn't about forcing change, its about helping each to learn how to change, which in itself involves bringing about some changes in each one.

        I certainly hope that you are aware of my idea of changing what needs changing as it ought to be changed when it ought to be changed. I mentioned in other posts that it's about knowing what be rather than knowing who knows it and who doesn't. Note that knowing what be includes knowing who knows what and a bit more...
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          Feb 19 2014: I do not think/feel it is good practice to try to take care of other's unless they ask Esteban.

          I do not agree that one can give or teach something s/he does not have in him/herself. I am indeed aware of your idea of "changing what needs changing as it ought to be changed...", and I do not think/feel imposing your own personal beliefs on others is beneficial. We've had this conversation before Esteban.

          You ask me to consider your comment just an objective observational statement. Actually, it appears to be "preaching" again Esteban....preaching about how YOU think things "ought" to be.

          The topic here Esteban is..."Redefine the term "rehabilitation" in context of prison".
      • Feb 19 2014: Colleen,

        Yes the topic here is ."Redefine the term "rehabilitation" in context of prison"... part of that involves the stories individuals employ and hold; individually and collectively. The assessment of the situation and thoughts, feelings, beliefs, attitudes and the rest of of the stuff involved in this story-line.

        I realize that you think one thing while I think another and that each sort of insists on imposing their storyline as the storyline with the caveat that:
        - the concept I describe includes the concept you describe and a bit more (where as the concept you describe does not include the concept I describe) .

        Then there is the issue of focusing on the topic at hand vs focusing on what this or that individual thinks/feels.

        To me its self-evident that it is good practice to take care of each and everyone. You seem to insists that it is good practice for an individual to take care of themselves, and unless asked by others to intervene to mind their own business. That would be like walking down the street and only getting involve in what happens there when those there ask for help; I say everyone should offer to help. In fact everyone is involved in one way or another; thus I say to get involved in an enticing helpful way.

        Yes I asked you (and other readers) to consider certain of my comment just as objective observational statement and you claimed that (it appears to be ... ) without constraining the storyline to your subjective interpretative narrative. That action leads me to think that you are seeking to project your ideas without proper care. Three is a fundamental difference between reporting 'what one thinks to be' and reporting 'what be'. I observed how many individuals can't differentiate one from the other which at times makes it rather difficult to focus with them on what be going on.

        "preaching about how YOU think things 'ought' to be" involves your own personal beliefs and interpretations which it seems to me that, you seek to impose.
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          Feb 19 2014: Esteban,
          You are twisting my words and I do not appreciate it!
      • Feb 19 2014: Colleen,

        I am sorry that you choose to see it that way, and wished that you would see it differently.

        FWIIW Like you, I think that in some parts of what you stated, you also twisted my words and did not appreciate what you did there... we could get into that if we wanted to explore it further... just as we could get into exploring what it is we appreciate in what each states. Please consider that there be the pin-pong related to the story-lines individuals use and there is the actual individuals themselves. I appreciate you regardless of the fact of how you choose to see certain stuff.

        Each can choose:
        - to appreciate the words, actions, thoughts, feelings, intentions, individuals etc...
        - not appreciate them
        - to take personal possession of stuff
        - to consider this or that story-line without personal ownership attachments
        - many more options...
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          Feb 19 2014: I'm sure you do wish I would see things your way Esteban. You seem to want to fix everyone, or help everyone based on YOUR perception of how things "ought" to be. I do not agree with insisting that everyone accept YOUR personal preferences. We've had this conversation before, as you may recall.
      • Feb 19 2014: Colleen,

        Yes we have had the conversation regarding subjective vs objective stances where you insists it's subjective and I insist it's objective... Making the conversation about someones perceptions about stuff vs the conversation focusing on certain stuff... distracts from focusing on certain stuff... For some well known reasons you insists it be about seeing things my way vs your way rather than seeing what be based on what be... Yea my personal preference is to use the objective stance and for everyone to accept the objective stance... your personal preference is to use the subjective stance where everyone and everything is equal (though where my preference isn't accepted)...

        Being objective I can always accommodate the subjective stance within the objective stance and hold both at the same time; so that the distinction between subjective vs objective ceases to matter... The subjective stance can only do such a feat when it just happen to have picked the objective stance ... again - the concept I describe includes the concept you describe and a bit more (where as the concept you describe does not include the concept I describe).

        I have also chosen to consider that the subject of this conversation - Redefine the term "rehabilitation" in context of prison - includes the notion of changing the 'criminal' story-line into 'the benevolent enriching story-line'... and on a more general form changing 'this' story-line into 'that' story-line... so the conversation about observing stances, what they lead to, the alternatives and adopting them... can demonstrate in a practical way how to Redefine the term used in particular contextual prisons.

        For the record, whether someone chooses to accepts or deny the objective stance for dialogue (which happens to be my preferred stance) matters rather little in the overall scheme of things... like I sort of said to others; the veracity of the claim doesn't change because someone acceptts it or rejects it, 'what be' be 'what be'
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          Feb 19 2014: The topic of this conversation is..."Redefine the term "rehabilitation" in context of prison".

          I have no desire to go round and round in your ridiculous circles Esteban.
      • Feb 19 2014: Colleen,

        So how do you propose we do to deal with inmates who state:
        - I have no desire to go round and round in your ridiculous circles
        - Forceful imposing violent bulling ways are the only viable way to survive
        - The only way to get respect is to let people know you’ll hurt them if they don’t.
        - Without the ability to be violent, no one will respect you.
        - When someone orders me to do something, they are disrespecting me.

        Interesting to observe the framings of to last few... statement...
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          Feb 20 2014: Esteban,
          You ask...."So how do you propose... to deal with inmates who state:
          " I have no desire to go round and round in your ridiculous circles"

          I would probably say....being here in the cognitive self change program is a choice YOU made for YOUR self, and if you want to be productively involved, we can do that. If you want to continue to take everyone's time with your BS, you can leave. And I would probably say this only after repeated attempts to engage the person in a productive conversation.

          One way to get respect Esteban, is to be clear with your SELF first...(cognitive SELF change). Misinterpretation, twisting another person's words to manipulate the conversation is a reflection of YOU, and is not helpful to YOU. If you think it is, then carry on. Yes indeed Esteban, your framing of the statements above are interesting to observe.
      • Feb 20 2014: Colleen,

        "if you want to be productively involved, we can do that".

        Framing the statements in 'emotive' 'disrespectful' 'demeaning' judgmental ways is a reflection that the author has little to no rational, respectful, appreciative factual observations to make, and is likely attempting to 'dehumanize' the other's claims to justify treating them in certain ways (like just getting rid of them or shifting and manipulating the conversation towards an emotive form). I would prefer everyone would follow 'rational, respectful, appreciative factual observations that seek to humanize' in their statements, thoughts, feeling, beliefs as everyone jointly explore why it is that individuals state what they state. (I just realized that seeking a rational rather than emotive dialogue could also be a way to dehumanize - thus seek both while ensuring positive focus)

        In the five statements I asked what proposals you (and others) had: I included a statement you made, a notion I consider quite pertinent to the inmates mind state and three statements from a quote related what an inmate's claims in their thinking report.

        I found interesting to observe the preoccupation with 'getting respect', rather than giving it... Inmates seem to resort to violent rage tantrums rather than to demonstrate better control of their feelings/thoughts/actions. Personally I think that respect isn't something one can demand and extort from others through violence; if others want and care to give it or not thats their choice. For me It's nice to have, without it being a determinant objective to attain, nor what guides my repeated attempts to engage in a productive conversation.

        Individual interpretations, twisting of words to guide the conversation is a reflection of each and what they seek. Pay attention to where it leads! I like to consider that twisting the twisted just so it ends up straight is a cleaver way to
        redefine the term in context of the twisted to introduce the straighter ways.
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          Feb 20 2014: Esteban,
          You asked..."So how do you propose we do to deal with inmates who state:
          I have no desire to go round and round in your ridiculous circles"

          I told you honestly how I would deal with that situation, and the way I would deal with it is honest to all participants. As the co-facilitator of sessions in which there were 10 offenders participating, all of whom volunteered to attend the sessions, I had the authority to ask any disruptive participant to leave, and I expressed that honestly. I was very clear and honest about that, and I never had to ask anyone to leave.

          You say..."Inmates seem to resort to violent rage tantrums rather than to demonstrate better control of their feelings/thoughts/actions"

          I don't know where you got that information and it is NOT my experience with inmates in the years I interacted with them. Being clear and honest with them was very successful.

          That being said, and hopefully understood, I am sorry that you feel that twisting a conversation is in any way productive or constructive. Twisting a conversation, causes disrespect, confusion and lack of understanding. Being open and honest is much more successful in any interaction.
      • Feb 20 2014: Colleen,

        Seeking to move a conversation towards productive or constructive interactions and terms seems to me to be self-evident productive or constructive; even when that involves a bit of a tease. Of course some will take the playful way as a provocation rather than just an invitation into a fun gentle interchange of ideas, stories, possibilities to consider. Some will get the be nice intention an explore the interchange nicely.

        It seems evident to me that you did not appreciate how labeling something I said as " go round and round in your ridiculous circles" could be considered quite disrespectful, especially when the claim is far from reflecting the actual truth of the matter. I have little desire to get into proving to you (and others) that the merry go round some be on causes confusion and lack of understanding, Its kind of funny for me to stand on the side (or at the center) and observe the people go round and round yelling "your turning is making me dizzy" ... in actuality its their turning which is making them dizzy.

        Unfortunately telling someone who is being uncooperative to stop being uncooperative or be escorted out may reaffirm the uncooperativeness rather than bring about cooperation, especially when individuals have a choice in the matter. In the case you presented, it seems clear that you had the authority to direct what the others did, you likely also had the backing of the officers to implement your directives. Though the treat to force them to leave is similar to the treat to hurt them.

        Yes open and honest is much more successful in many interactions.

        I constructed the caricature statement - resort to violent rage tantrums- in part based on information from ( http://www.annasalter.com/annasalter/Slides_files/2Cognitive%20Self-Change%20Pdf.pdf ).

        Twisting a conversation may causes the conversation to move towards shared understanding, insightful perceptions, innovativeness ... among other alternatives... depending on what each does
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          Feb 20 2014: You can try to justify your communication style as much as you want Esteban. Teasing, manipulating and twisting a conversation serves no useful purpose. I have no desire whatsoever to go round and round with you in your attempt to manipulate a conversation Esteban. It is interesting that you perceive it as "funny".

          I mentioned nothing about "hurting" anyone Esteban...you are twisting my words AND my comments again, and I do not appreciate it. Trying to twist a conversation is not constructive or productive in any way Esteban, and you simply discredit yourself.
      • Feb 21 2014: I will say it again ...

        Seeking to move a conversation towards productive or constructive interactions and terms seems to me to be self-evident productive or constructive.

        Yea I find rather funny and amusing how each one's words reflects for all to observe what it is they hold and cultivate.

        Twist a negative conversation into a positive one can be constructive and/or productive in many ways, even if/when some claim otherwise. The importance of learning and demonstrating ability to hold and cultivate positive constructive productive interchanges seems to me to be a notion we both agree upon.

        I would like to thank you mentioning the cognitive SELF change.
        Personally I like to consider it as:
        1- Pay attention to what each thinks/claims/does.
        2- Recognize when thoughts / feelings /actions are leading towards a particular action.
        3- Consider new thinking patterns to think /feel /enact (if appropriate incorporate them )
        4- Practice using this new thinking in real life situations.

        Of course I recognize that you mentioned a focus on self rather than others ... evidently to me each must change themselves. I just find that by observing others and what they do, I may learn stuff about myself and what to do (and not do).

        Seems to me you didn't perceive the analogy I made between
        - 'asking' them to leave
        - treat to hurt them

        My intent was to explore ways to get someone to willingly collaborate when they are uncooperative. Of course without threats. Heck even without incentives. Act on pure firmly held beliefs or opinions... conscious chosen. Of course this whole conversation revolves around the notion of how to redefine the terms beliefs and opinions employed by individuals.

        I sort of have a pet peeve with the word 'convictions' for its positive and negative association. I wished there was a better word to describe consciously held and followed beneficial determination that would inspire each to embrace such ideas and employ them.
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          Feb 21 2014: Esteban,
          You are not in any way twisting "a negative conversation into a positive one". You are twisting comments to suit your own agenda.

          You can interpret the concepts of the "cognitive SELF change" model in any way you choose, as long as you are clear that it is YOUR interpretation, and not the intent and focus of the established program.

          I DID NOT mention "a focus on self rather than others". I showed you the concepts of a program, which I facilitated, which you asked about. The focus of cognitive SELF change is evaluating the patterns and behaviors in one SELF. It is NOT paying attention to and focusing on the patterns and behaviors of "each" or "others".

          I agree that by observing others you may learn stuff about your "self".

          I perceive and understand what you are writing Esteban, and I do not agree.

          I suggest that one way to get people to willingly collaborate, is to listen carefully to what people express to you, and DO NOT twist their words or meaning. Be clear and honest with communications.

          The topic of this conversation is..."Redefine the term "rehabilitation" in context of prison".
      • Feb 21 2014: Colleen,

        I noticed how you seek to move the conversation...
        You can interpret the concepts ... in any way you choose...
        Note that as long as you are just focused on subjective interpretations (your subjective interpretation) rather than objective observations, understanding of the intent, focus, and what actually be going on will likely be outside and beyond what you get to appropriately appreciate.

        For the record : Following a post I ended with : I am curious how to inspire individuals to change and embrace better ways of being... and would like to know what you an others think on this matter...

        Your response started : Some individuals choose to change Esteban, and we (society, corrections, etc.) can provide the tools they may use to change. The "cognitive self change", and other sessions I co-facilitated in correctional facilities seem to be effective.

        From there I responded: Did a quick search for "Cognitive Self Change"
        Seem the Program focuses on the thinking behind behavior that consists of learning and demonstrating ability to:
        1... 2... 3... 4...

        So technically you pointed at the program which enabled me to investigate and report back the concepts of the program. It seems to me that the focus of cognitive SELF change is evaluating the patterns and behaviors, understanding the flow of events, considering the alternatives and putting into practice. The matters about it being just about one self rather than every self seems to me to be a sideline pet peeve issue stemming from a subjective rather than objective standpoint.

        Its somewhat curios how you in essence agree while still insisting on holding on to being in disagreement. By observing one may learn stuff about one's "self" and about others. I am not sure why individuals choose to resists and choose not to agree with objective truisms and instead prefer to claim self-contraditory paradoxes. Personally I prefer the more objective firm better stances rather than the subjective ambiguities .
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          Feb 21 2014: For the record Esteban...
          1) I mentioned an established program (cognitive self change), which has established concepts.

          2) You chose to CHANGE the concepts to something you preferred

          3) I said you can interpret the concepts in any way you choose....that is YOUR perspective....it is NOT the established concepts of the program.

          I don't care how YOU interpret the concepts Esteban. If you choose to twist the established concepts of an existing program for YOURSELF, that is YOUR choice.

          The most important concept of the Cognitive SELF change program is evaluating one SELF. It is NOT evaluating everybody else. What part of that do you not understand???
      • Feb 21 2014: Colleen,

        For the record emotions to the side- Note the factually inaccuracies of your claim "I showed you the concepts of a program, which I facilitated, which you asked about." I observe that it be factually inaccurate on multiple levels and considered it worthwhile to set the record straight!

        Yes you mentioned an established program (cognitive self change) without actually showing the concepts of the program... I reported back what I found for you and others to consider... My report included the statement - "Of course the key to perceiving the possibilities resides in recognizing and paying attention to what each thinks".

        On a latter post I stated: "You may have noticed how I took the ideas there and generalized them (Redefine the terms) to make them applicable to everyone. In a way I took the "know thyself" and made it "know each self"!

        BTW I think that the most important concept of the program stems from observing, with actually little to no judgmental evaluating. In order to make a fearless inventory participants need to feel they can just report the situations as is, without someone stepping in and evaluating it, nor the need to explain and justify. Reporting what happened exploring the patterns the possibilities and actions requires a keen observational agility both in theory and in practice.

        To me it's quite evident that these interactions serve to expose different notions that have to do with the redefinment to the term related to "rehabilitation" in context of prison"... both applicable to the inmates and us... each and everyone!

        I hope that you are comfortable with someone drawing attention to the veracity of your claims and choose to perceive it in a positive maker. Personally I welcome when someone draws attention to explore the veracity of my claims. Sometimes what is a bit of a nuance is when someone draw attention to what they think i said and insist in focusing on what they think rather than what be...
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      Feb 18 2014: "Transition from Prison to Community Initiative"

      Have you heard of it?

      They've already begun this in a handful of states, 8 now I think.

      There are statistics posted online to give an idea of how effective it has been since they started it in 2002.
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        Feb 18 2014: Vermont started transitioning people from prison to community in 1986.

        http://www.dismasofvermont.org/
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          Feb 18 2014: They're reintroducing the initiative and rolling it out state by state.

          They've just started it in my state MN at the all women's prison and will begin to implement it in the men's prisons probably later this year.
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        Feb 18 2014: Good....it's about time huh Ang?
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          Feb 18 2014: We'll just have to see how good it turns out to be. I agree with the intended purpose of the initiative and hope to see the desired results but that will depend on how well the program is implemented and the type of training offerred.

          I'm hopeful.

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