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Ideological topics: Wealth Redistribution, Equality, Universal Health Care are quite contentious. Is there common ground for common good?

How do you obtain common ground in an ideological argument? What methods have proved fruitful in the past? Is there even a solution?

I am still working through Rousseau’s Origins of Inequality but, this statement stood out.

“Thus, as the most powerful or the most miserable considered their might or misery as a kind of right to the possessions of others, equivalent, in their opinion, to that of property, the destruction of equality was attended by the most terrible disorders. Usurpations by the rich, robbery by the poor, and the unbridled passions of both, suppressed the cries of natural compassion and the still feeble voice of justice, and filled men with avarice, ambition and vice.”

What methods do you use to sway the idealist who in reality means no harm yet causes harm with each keystroke?

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  • Feb 5 2014: Enquiry into the Other is the only way to find common ground.
    • Feb 5 2014: Good morning Scott
      Is the Other you speak of myself ? If so I do see your point, a reevaluation of my beliefs has often led me to new discoveries.
      If the Other is my conversation partners, then how do I follow up the enquiry ?
      • Feb 6 2014: Hi Joe, Apologies for my delinquency.....Here is my take, for low worth.

        A. Enquiry into the Other is seeking to recognize WHO they are. Not what they Believe.
        B. Enquiry into Yourself is seeking to recognize WHO You are. Not what you Believe.
        C. A and B are One in the Same.

        All of the "problems" you mentioned in your set-up, cease to become problems when We know who we really are. But, as Jung would say, "there is no coming to Consciousness without Pain."

        Thankfully, the same "problems" will eventually drive us to that ultimate conclusion. Until then, we will debate and war and anguish over Beliefs, never ever bridging the gap between us.

        These 'problems' are symptoms. Treating the symptoms is mucho importante....but it's not the only game.

        Great day to ya
        • Feb 7 2014: Scott, I was hoping to hear from you again, education is never tardy!

          In trying to understand the Other, how do we separate the believes from the person. Aren’t the two linked?

          Pardon my inept questions in this arena, I find it very informative in trying to grasp the divide between the displayed persona and the Other which resides within that person.

          If I can understand that separation, I may be able to understand the willingness some people have to deny their fellow travelers, life and basic needs.

          Thank you for your time and patience.
      • Feb 8 2014: Good morning from a finally rainy California. Regarding a person's willingness to deny others support in life........Empathy for 'another' being is an effortless quality or symptom that naturally emerges out of One who simply recognizes who they, themselves, truly ARE, and subsequently who the 'other' truly IS. If Empathy is lacking, it is neither good nor bad, but rather a reflection, or symptom, of who they 'believe' themselves to be and who they 'believe' the other to be......mainly, they view themselves as separate beings, with a separate consciousness and a separate unconsciousness. This belief is not bad. It is not wrong. It simply IS. Most live their entire life with this perception that stems from their belief which they were simply taught by those who came before them. It is our societal conditioning that goes largely unquestioned. Most of us die in this state of perceived separateness which, again, is neither good nor bad. This is who we largely and currently are as a species.

        While I am not a Christian religiously speaking, it is said that Jesus exclaimed "forgive them father, for they know not what they do.".........for they know not WHO they are.

        Deep enquiry into One's Self allows us to see the transient and illusory nature of our own beliefs and the beliefs of others. We can examine and debate beliefs until the cows come home, perhaps never reaching a conclusion. Eventually, we begin to wonder WHO is it that holds these beliefs that change and wax and wane over one's lifetime. Seek deeply enough and you'll see. Thereafter, a different intelligence begins to bleed through the canvas of your life.

        In short, you are not your beliefs. There is no gap between you and the Other. It is only misperceived. These are only words......vastly limited. Hold them lightly.
        Superb day to you
        S
        • Feb 9 2014: Hi Scott, your rains mean that our cold is coming to an end! Both reasons to celebrate.
          In your reply I sense the Tao. Am I correct in this, if not please excuse my ignorance again.
          Are there any books or films you recommend?
      • Feb 9 2014: Howdy. It was funny that your email arrived while my wife and I were drinking coffee and listening to an Audio book on the Tao and Wu Wei. I've read many books over the years but always circle back to the Tao Te Ching. I find it unmatched in its simplicity and application. If you've one that is similar for you, I'd greatly appreciate the tip. I always enjoy reading recommendations.
        Wonderful evenin.
        • Feb 10 2014: I will look into that book, thanks for the tip.

          I have only read one book on the subject and it is the Tao of Pooh. Not a solid treatise but a start for me.
          We are in the thirties Wendesday! Good news for the East.
          Take care

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