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    Feb 2 2014: Erik, is this an unbiased conversation, because you'll have to respond more to suggestions that promote your business, right? To me the obvious answer is to promote walking more, but there's not as much business for Michelin in that as there is in bicycles or cars? I wonder how much money there is in the business of creating soles for shoes, Michelin could probably create good ones? Are you already in that business?

    I probably walk two-three miles a day almost every day of the year. I totally enjoy it. One nice thing about walking is you can accomplish things along the way easily, for instance if I start from Point A and walk to Point B a mile away, I can often do three or four errands or tasks along the way. This would be hard to do in a car or bike because to do each errand you have to find parking, turn off everything, lock the car or bike, and then do all the stuff to get it going again when you're off to the next errand.
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      Feb 4 2014: Greg has a super-point.

      In support to this thought I'm suggesting to gradually re-build infrastructures within smaller areas (both in suburbs and cities). Yes, Greg, we shall walk. We have legs, and we shall walk using them meaningfully. We treat ourselves as handicapped creatures in our cities, who are desperate to be driven around... by
      cars, elevators, trains..

      The goal is to create local sustainable living, vivid diversity of businesses and therefore offer meaningful jobs, design smaller "greener" schools in walking distances from stidents' homes, and "move" all comercial traffic away from the community to the main roads.
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        Feb 4 2014: Vera, is it more of a problem for women to walk? For instance, let's say it's winter when it gets dark earlier. So a female student stays at school with some after-school activities, and by the time she's done, it's 5 PM and the sun has gone down and it's dark. She would be afraid to walk home in the dark?
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          Feb 4 2014: "So a female student stays at school with some after-school activities, and by the time she's done, it's 5 PM and the sun has gone down and it's dark. She would be afraid to walk home in the dark?"

          I would - unless it is some emergency. A young mail student has a real chance to get into some mess in the city. But when I was a student I did not think it was My problem, I just had to deal with others - who had problems. Our cities brew sickly environment, no matter where we are walking or driving.

          Smaller communities is the only key to reduce many problems, incuding crime.
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        Feb 4 2014: vera, when you said above I had a super-point, you meant my point emphasizing walking, correct? But walking is more of a problem for women than men when it's after dark, right? If that is true, do you still think we should emphasize walking since it cuts women out of activities that are going to continue after the sun goes down?
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          Feb 4 2014: A combination of walking and public transit is a viable option for many. A person who lives close to work could walk to work and take public transit home.
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      Feb 4 2014: They are already in that business, Greg:


      If this is part of a business strategy based on more detailed information about peak oil than the public gets to hear, or a general widening of products in their field of excellence to reduce their given, tight dependency on the automotive sector, I don't know...

      But if their shoe soles are as durable as their tyres used to be on my 'deux chevaux', you might go for it ... pun intended! ;o)

      And this is a 'deux chevaux', meaning 2CV, in case you haven't heart this expression before, as those are pretty rare in the US:

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        Feb 4 2014: if you did away with wheeled transportation and everybody walked everywhere, would it wreck the world economy?
        You walk much, Lejan .?
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          Feb 4 2014: World economy is well known to reliably wrack itself periodically anyway, so what difference would it make for yet another crash, but for at least sustainable gains?

          I am a convenience walker, which makes me use my car for shopping, when it is raining.
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        Feb 5 2014: I was just wondering if doing away with petroleum transportation would wreck the economy permanently, as petroleum extraction and transportation are a big part of the economy?
    • Feb 5 2014: Now, just how do I walk 40 miles to and from work? Are YOU going to pay for me to move closer and pay for the significantly higher rent?
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        Feb 5 2014: what about looking for a local job you could walk to, Bryan? And walking as you go through the process of looking for the job?

        I also like the idea of finding a job by word of mouth. Not every job gets advertised in print somewhere. Often when I've looked for a job I would just go from business to business on foot, walk in, walk up to the reception desk, and ask if there were any openings. I remember finding a job that way at a medical clinic that hadn't opened for business yet, the job was giving out fliers advertising the clinic. Perhaps a job that is beneath you? But I enjoyed it, it was outdoors and sometimes involved talking to people, and I worked with a guy who had given out fliers for a while and learned there's a little bit of an art to giving them out.

        Apart from commuting to work, do you like to walk, or walk much?
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        Feb 6 2014: As for the given market mechanics in supply and demand, does the significantly higher rents indicate for a significantly more dense area you work in 40 miles away, compared to the population density you life in?

        But usually, jobs in higher dense areas also pay more than in less dense areas, which is actually the reason why people from rural areas concentrate there.

        For your situation, this could mean the following... ?

        You benefit twice, by earning significantly more working in a dense area and save significantly on lower rents by living in less populated areas. Provided the cost for petrol doesn't eat up most of both benefits.


        You earn significantly more by working in a dense area and save significantly on lower rents by living in less populated areas, but the cost for petrol neutralizes both benefits totally.


        You earn comparably little for a job in a dense area which makes it necessary to save on the rent in less populated areas. Rising cost in petrol would, at a certain price, not allow for such a constellation anymore, as your earnings then could no longer cover your mobility, which is crucial for this setup.

        As you only mentioned significantly higher rents and not significantly higher wages as well, would the third example best describe your given situation?
      • Feb 12 2014: Bryan,
        40 miles sounds about right for you.
        Enjoy the walk. You deserve the exercise. lol
        And think of all the bugs you get to squish.

        Seriously, you should get additional mileage money.
        See, I've got your back man...

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