Vera Nova

Director Research Analysis, NOVA Town Futuristic Development


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Why did not we develop some beautiful, durable fur or feathers to protect ourselves from the harsh weather?

Why did not we develop some beautiful and durable fur or feathers to protect ourselves from the harsh weather, but in stead we keep producing tons of bizarre outfits;

or why did not we develop our sense of intuition for communicating with each other in a long distance, like plants and other living creatures do, but prefer to pile up our places with endless technological devices?

Can we revise our own intelligence in this respect?

How our possibly futuristic progress in developing and improving our own natural sense perceptions and intuition would effect our money-making industries, technology, and the whole mentality towards our success in life as truly intelligent living beings?

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    Feb 3 2014: "Can we revise our own intelligence in this respect?"
    Camping, outdoor exercise, gardening, quiet observation, meditation.
  • Jan 31 2014: Our immediate ancestors practiced something called endurance hunting, which is basically running down prey at low speeds until the prey gets heat stroke and dies. This requires an efficient cooling system, and the absolute minimum in thermal insulation, hence we sweat much more then most animals (and also cool down much more effectively for it), and have very little fur.
    Its a pretty good system actually. Ask any engineer, heating up is easy, its keeping cool that's a problem. It makes much more sense to have a removable insulating layer (cloth, originally animal skins) then it is to have a built in insulating system like fur or feathers. You just take it off when its warm, and build a fire or put on some cloths when its cold.

    You've the same argument for the vast majority of tools. An integrated system is a liability whenever you're not using it; a detachable modular system is usually much better.
    Say you need to get in a fight. Would you prefer an integrated set of fangs (that'll also get in the way when you eat, and aren't very good weapons anyway), or a spear that you could put in the corner once you're done with it?
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      Jan 31 2014: Like your arguments.

      But I see that your example with an overheated-prey method has much more to explain...for instance, the hunted animal is not experienced in this very unusual to it situation, it is overstressed - loses control and strengths quickly then it gets overheated.. etc.

      A Wild hunter would not be so stubborn, unlike humans !! it's “designed” to live within the natural world somewhat in balance.

      While humans do some inventive tricks they waste a ton of energy and clothing, man-made material., chemicals. very unwisely “in a long run” and eventually destroying our own environment.

      Animals can be as Cunning as humans but they do not over-using (abusing) their "methods". Home possum trick is to be able to play dead. He is so reliable it cranks that predators are trying to get around the carcass side. The fact is that in a stressful situation, a small animal falls, remains stationary and starts to stink like a real carrion. Such food is unlikely to be interested in any predator.

      Or - Usually fireflies use their "shining" ability to attract a mate. It is this ability and adopted some predators: they reproduce like shimmer to attract potential victim for his supper.

      Or - Among the turtles there are predators, such as the loggerhead turtle. To hunt the animal uses its pink tongue that looks like a worm. Turtle just opens his mouth, tongue wiggles and waits until some silly fish will fall for the bait.

      It’s also well known: “The main problem for the zoo keeper is the ability of orangutans to open even the most cunning of the locks.”
      • Jan 31 2014: Endurance hunting is less about experience, and more about a very determined hunter and prey that simply isn't well optimized for long distance running. Most animals are built for short bursts of speed, either to chase down prey in the first couple of meters, or escape that same initial rush. Endurance hunting basically uses that optimization against them; its more about cooling mechanism then anything else.
        Ancient humans (and the odd modern tribal human) aren't the only animals to use this method, though it is comparatively rare. Again, its not psychology, prey animals don't just give up once they get tired, its about physiology, a combination of heatstroke and exhaustion. Energy expenditure is an issue, but the high success rate makes up for it (for sprinting hunters, 1 in 4 is considered phenomenal; endurance hunters go much higher).

        You'll notice that in terms of global distribution, there isn't any other animal half as widespread as humans, except perhaps domestic species and parasites/vermin that we bring with us.
        This is precisely because we have very few integrated systems. In such a wide range of environments, there are very few things which would be universally useful. Tools can be adapted to the situation at hand, and discarded once they're not longer useful. With an intergrated system, you're stuck with.

        Evolutionarily speaking, one of the most useful systems are things used to fight and/or hunt. Natural systems are terrible as weapons; a simple stone age spear I could make using nothing but some wood, vines and rocks that lend well to sharpening is superior to a more natural weapon like fangs or claws. I can also use it as aggressively as I like, or even throw it (a method so successful it mostly replaced endurance hunting), because if it breaks or is lost, I'll just make a new one.

        Besides, clothing isn't much of a threat to the environment. Furs may be unsustainable, but woven fabrics are perfectly renewable.
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      Feb 7 2014: The method of endurance hunting is used by wolves too, so why did they kept their fur, especially as their only method of cooling is via panting?

      Humans have both, sweating and panting to cool down and are not even close in endurance compared to wolves ...
  • Jan 29 2014: I am not sure about your speculation about the 2 items you mentioned in your topic.
    First, we have developed clothes or body attachment that could survive extreme hot or cold environment no other biological species could tolerate or survive in it. For example, man could walk into a house on fire when he has the heat resistant gear on him. Similarly, man could "walk" in space where no biological species could survive in such absolute zero temperature. So why would we grow feathers to warm ourselves up if the feathers can't be conveniently taken on and off?
    Second, it is also similar that nowadays we can tele-communicate half of globe apart in both spoken words and/or images, or even over cross-stellar distances, can any biological species do that?
    Furthermore, most of the electronic gadgets can usually survive 5 or more years. while some of the birds or insects would be dead before ,say, a smart phone or a television breaks down.
    Imitation or not, I think that I will happily stay put as a human being, without "imitating" any other biological species at all. As to why we keep on inventing newer and more useful gadgets, just look at the long lines in front of the , say Apple Computer stores whenever a new one comes out on sale. People just like new and "wonderful imitation (things)", that's all!
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      Jan 29 2014: I'm just wondering what people can say about the possibility of re-evaluation of our postmodern achievements in mass produced technology, including knowledge based on soundbites of "sciences" picked up from the advertisers and popular science-interpreters of all sorts.

      1. "For example, man could walk into a house on fire when he has the heat resistant gear on him. Similarly, man could "walk" in space where no biological species could survive in such absolute zero temperature. So why would we grow feathers to warm ourselves up if the feathers can't be conveniently taken on and off?"

      I see your common viewpoint as a very arguable position, from which you see our brave activities as achievements.

      Some conditions, especially extreme conditions, “tell” us much more about limitation of our own human nature (we still do not at all understand) than encourage us to create a “capsule” to walk through the fire or in cosmic space.

      There is some Possible evolvement for us which we may not see on our horizon yet.

      Can we create better technology, beyond our imagination today? I think we can, but only if we understand our true vulnerabilities. If you're interested I'd be glad to share with you with some thoughts

      2. "Second, it is also similar that nowadays we can tele-communicate half of globe apart in both spoken words and/or images, or even over cross-stellar distances, can any biological species do that?"

      "Biological" species do this instantly without any gadgets, or words. The plants and other living forms can communicate in greater distances even sense cosmic changes. They are able to do such fantastic interactions within and without and react on the effects spontaneously, and intelligently. We are too new on this planet .

      As I've already mentioned - our cell phones can reach almost any place around our globe, but we still CANNOT understand each other any better than millennia ago! We keep talking and arguing more than ever
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    Feb 11 2014: We are like chameleons, we take our hue and the color of our moral character, from those who are around us.

    John Locke
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    Feb 4 2014: Mimicking polar bear fur, which is able to insulate the animal's body to temperatures of 98.6° F (37° C) when outside temperatures get as low as -40° F (-40° C) could lead to better building insulation

    Put a polar bear and a biophotonics expert together in a chilly room and what do you get? Potentially, better insulation. When looking to uncover the secrets of the impressive insulation properties of polar bear fur, researchers at the University of Namur in Belgium found that radiation plays a larger role than conduction in the insulation of polar animals, such as penguins and polar bears, than previously believed.
    It was previously thought that feathers and fur work to keep polar animals such as polar bears and penguins warm by trapping a layer of air that slows thermal conduction and loss of body heat. Instead biophotonics scientist Priscilla Simonis and her team found that heat loss between two bodies separated by air was more affected by radiation than by conduction.

    "Why is the polar bear fur much more efficient than what we can develop for our housing?"

    She suggested the study may have a number of applications for humans and could lead to the development of new types of ultrathin insulation. This could not only find use in insulating buildings, but might also result in a new generation of snow clothing, sleeping bags and survival gear.
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    Feb 4 2014: I think that our imagination becomes tamed and terribly limited as we grow up, we lose our intuition and our own, open sense of wonder.

    It happens while we are told in schools about our scientific "progress" we shall admire,
    and when we watch TV "Junk sciences" “educational” programs, which are loudly prevailing, even over common sense.

    The majority among scientific writers and teachers are quite illiterate regarding the Original thoughts and discoveries in sciences and philosophy, and this explains why they very poorly understand what they are teaching or describing.

    Sciences promote tons of new words and terminology, made-up images and graphics, just like any successful businesses. For instance a popular scientific presentation we can find a brain photo image that has a fancy protuberant around it. The shiny protuberant, however, has rendered by a hired artist. We see No word about that those images are fantascies produced by an excited neuroscientist, and then “edited” by an artist.

    One makes very little sense or no sense when he/she is not able to look around, beyond his/her limited field, and compare.. .

    When we are in wilderness we do not need to look for any excitement - we are already overwhelmed.. we are in direct interactions with life and its endless vitality. Something very drastically important is missing in our artificial lifestyle and very limited mentality.
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    • Feb 1 2014: No worries, there is nobody you can preach but converted :)
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        • Feb 2 2014: God can be anything as long as it is ' the other '.
          And nowhere and everywhere when it is found within.
          Have a nice day !
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        Feb 3 2014: You're a dear soul, Natasha.
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      Feb 2 2014: Is not it a little too late? Most of our Brains have been hacked by brainless systems already (with some very rare exception.)

      It seems your brain has been hacked as well.

      Even if you still wish to do it your special way - nobody will even notice the difference.

      Santokh, See some great excitement in your message - but Take it Easy. See you around :)
  • Jan 31 2014: 1. The human race developed in a warm climate.
    2. Nadav is right about the hunting technique
    3. Before natural selection could occur, our ancestors learnt how to wear skins and multiple layers (while hunting remove to facilitate cooling)
    4. There are minor changes - believe that the eskimo race has a slight genetic difference in their eye structure which makes less susceptible to snow blindness.
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      Jan 31 2014: Less than 5 minutes ago: " Before natural selection could occur, our ancestors learnt how to wear skins and multiple layers (while hunting remove to facilitate cooling)" Please explain how did our somewhat naked ancestors became "naked" in the first place? Before they started inventing these removable fur "fashions"?

      What conditions (external and internal) do you think have made humans change their survival "technique" and become so different from the rest of the wild world?

      I'm sure it is not just one answer to it but very many.. (please do not mention the notorious "thumb theory!)

      Thanks for the post - interesting to know your thoughts.
      • Feb 1 2014: Because they were living in Africa and the temperature made it easy to go without clothes
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          Feb 1 2014: There is a truly mental adjustment we are going throughout history, and it is getting fed on our over-excited imagination. Human character is outstanding, thrives on imitations, and get excited easily over very superficial appearances (Superball and other endless games) - not too many intuitive animals can ever take them seriously as we do.

          I think we’ve had some different choices - to develop some fantastic bodies, instinctively, or just give up on changing and adjusting, and die out like some other life forms.

          There are a few great thoughts/guesses you can find in literature on anthropology. One of them - we may be not fully developed as adult creatures..... it happens in nature when some species live and die underdeveloped, but can successfully reproduce. Here is another most recent theory (I'm involved in this work) our minds are developing what we may call Superficial consciousness that is tremendously exciting for our physical sense-perceptions. We do lose our natural intuition very quickly in our childhood, as soon as we are getting trained to imitate adults and speak conventional human language. There is lot more to it!!

          Well, if you do not have any answer on your own it's just fine - people usually have none except wellknown common "explanations".

          Maybe it's my fault and I'm not articulate enough to express my question..

          Thanks anyway :)
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    Jan 30 2014: I wonder if clothes are warmer than fur or feathers? Perhaps they are a tighter weave?

    Could intuition ever be as dependable as technology? For instance, if we were ten miles apart could we arrange to meet at a restaurant halfway between us by intuition? Probably not. But we can do it by telephone.

    But lately, Vera, I decided not to shave the hair on my body like I was doing before, because I afraid hair is going down drain in shower and plugging shower. So I do have a little more of my natural hair?
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      Jan 30 2014: You have written a very entertaining post!

      I did and still do learn about animals and other living forms, and their Supurb Intuition and abilities to communicate in immeasurable distances without "words". Out technology is still a joke in trems of sophistication and "durability" compared with nature... A lot to share...

      I'll get back to you a little later :)
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        Jan 30 2014: you know, Vera, I was thinking that maybe one advantage of not having fur is that after a shower we can dry off faster. Whereas an animal has to walk around for a while with wet fur?
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          Jan 31 2014: I'm not an expert to bring up specific info/answers on how animal bodies adapt to their environment staying healthy and clean within their biological balance. I must find out how exactly they manage to renew and even entirely change their fur and the amount of fat under their skin adapting to the weather . (they for sure do not need any medical researchers, or brain specialists)

          Raccoons? they are defenately cleaner than dogs. But our bodies, even if we think they are clean, are very unbalanced, have very vulnarable skin compared to wild animals. Our bodies demand special care even if we conceder we are well....

          About getting dry after your shower - we need a Longer Time to get really dry after our bath.... animals natural fur gets dry very quickly - (I guess you just imagine that they need a lot of time because their fur is thick.)

          Back to animals - In some cold places inhabited by land mammals and these have very thick fur! which insulates the body by trapping air. They also have a layer of stored fat under the skin which gives additional insulation. Animals can easily change the temperature within their bodies keeping them warm or cool. They can swim in icy water, get dry fast and stay well. need a Longer Time to get really dry after our bath.... animals natural fur gets dry very quickly - (I guess you only presumably imagine that they might need a lot of time because of their thick fur.) For many reasons similar to ours in own artificial lifstyle, our domestic animals lose their abilities to adapt and also need baths, supplements and brushing, toys, evem some clothing...

          Well, so unfortunately we do not learn these things in our elementary schools, but it's just great that you and someone like you, Greg, they still ask these questions. Sorry, that I'm not an expert in this fascinating field . I wish to know more..

          Thank you for reading my posts and giving me a thumb-up :)
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        Jan 31 2014: well, when I try to imagine myself having animal fur and living my life without clothes, just fur, I believe I would be colder than I am in clothes, Vera. Maybe with animal fur there are gaps between the hairs where the cold air can get in?

        I don't see how an animal could dry off as quickly as us because we can dry off very quickly with a towel? With an animal, even if you dry it with a towel, it's hard to dry the underneath hair.

        I tend to think that animals are always uncomfortable and a little cold? Generally animals have shorter lifespans than humans, doesn't this suggest that they are colder than us and thus weakened by being cold?
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      Jan 30 2014: You're wondering about practical side of "things" -it's fun to compare "WHAT IF?" - I think about it too.

      I try not to forget that we are trapped in our artificial "world", within drastically "modified" conditions, and our physical bodies have been mutating for ages.

      The conversation you're suggesting here is too New to our human comprehension! It’s daring, questioning our very intelligence and evolution. (The majority believe that we are undoubtedly "superior" to the rest of living forms around us - after all we are surviving and taking over the planet. Where are we really going? Why some successful kinds of animals after occupying space over others, suddenly died out? )

      In my opinion in our man-made environment we must do lots of silly things we'd not need to do in wilderness.

      We already know that animals are very clean when they are healthy and moderately fed. They do not need everyday showers.

      Only sick animals get dirty quickly and stay that way.... In our environment we must take showers everyday and we have to use skin creams etc,

      Speaking in general - when we are isolated from direct contacts with nature - we cannot objectively compare with and judge our living and habits and wild animals.
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        Jan 31 2014: wait, Vera, I don't understand this. If I live in a city, and a raccoon lives in my city, the raccoon will naturally be cleaner than me, so that I will need a shower more often than the raccoon? Why would this be as we are in the same environment?
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    Jan 29 2014: Based on some other known evolutionary processes Vera, I suspect we did not develop durable fur or feathers to protect ourselves from harsh weather, because humans discovered how to make and use fire. The discovery that humans could have fire in caves and other shelters, where they could stay warm at least some of the time, probably was simply another evolutionary path than other animals....what do you think about that possibility?

    Personally, I do not prefer to pile up endless technological devices. I do, however, appreciate the technology which allows us to communicate instantaneously with people around our world. Our advanced communication systems allow and encourage MORE communication, and we have choices regarding HOW we use the communication systems:>)

    I sit here with a wood fire going in the stove and a lovely shawl around me for warmth, as it is 13 (f) degrees outside at the moment. I am in my cave, with fire, communicating with people around the world:>)
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      Jan 29 2014: "The discovery that humans could have fire in caves and other shelters, where they could stay warm at least some of the time, probably was simply another evolutionary path than other animals....what do you think about that possibility? "

      Sweet Colleen, You gave a great example to observe. I must admit I'm truly fascinated by how excited we become over things that might easily scare away the rest of other living creatures.

      While so excited to perceive some warm sensations and gorgeous playful flames we suppress our warning sensations of the dangerous nature of fire. We so want to play with it !

      As the result of using fire and “borrowing” animal furs we “develop” naked bodies. (Small children when living in wilderness grow some fur! just like other intuitive animals. Compared to normal kids they hear and smell more acutely.

      As the result of creating our own artificial conditions and "things" “Fixing” environment in a great hurry! satisfying our hunger for excitement we may some day discover how retarded our intuition has become.

      Our evolvement of our very Emotional Imagination is absolutely unique. It is Reality for us - our field for discoveries, study, inventions, morals and artistic endeavors.

      We do not live in reality of nature around us, we keep isolating ourselves from it. We do this in order to control nature within our artificial conditions. This makes us trust - we are the most intelligent creatures in the world

      We still do not understand other living beings including plants, because our direct interaction with them is shut, but we use microscopes and telescopes to judge their superficial images.

      I’d love to imagine how Differently we'd be developed if we combine our hypo excited, theatrical nature with deep intuition. What if we augment our super sense of our natural environment and stop hectically “protecting” ourselves from its voice, real turns and changes, finding truly harmonious ways to wisely adjust and learn from it?
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        Jan 29 2014: Vera,
        Fire can be both frightening and useful. As with many things in our world, it depends on how we use it.

        Enjoying the warmth of fire does not necessarily mean that we "suppress" other information about fire. As multi-sensory, multi-dimensional, multi-faceted humans, we have the ability to learn, grow and evolve, while being mindful of all logical, reasonable, instinctive and intuitive information. I do not "play" with fire Vera. I respect it and appreciate it for warmth.

        I am not sure who you speak of when you say "we do not live in reality of nature around us, we keep isolating ourselves from it". That certainly is not my practice, and there are LOTS of people who are very aware and respectful of nature.

        We've talked about our theatrical nature in other conversations, and as I've expressed before, I believe there is intuition intertwined with our personas. It is up to each and every one of us to recognize it......or not. I totally agree Vera, with finding truly harmonious ways to wisely adjust and learn:>)
  • Jan 29 2014: Well we already possess a little hair like many other mammals such as the chimpanzee although we have less hair than most. Why? Maybe because our intelligence allows us to compensate for these defects so we can spin wool, hunt an animal who has a warm coat etc.
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      Jan 29 2014: This is true. Thank you for your post! The reasons WHY we've become humans, changing our looks and playing food, creating often bizarre societies, cultures and cults, and produce mountains of technological toys which we do not need at all for survival... is the most interesting and Intriguing in my opinion.

      I believe that we are the most theatrical creatures of all we may know - we wish to play and act even if it is dangerous and makes no sense.. Our cultures have been developed based on that amusing ability we all possess. We are fantastic imitators in our early childhood we MIMIC and "catch" not only language that the adults use, but their manners, movements and intonations, moreover, we begin to think like others, believing in concepts and conventions, no matter how silly they might be.
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      Jan 31 2014: Hello Frank. Like your questions. In my opinion we need to be a lot more objective and more knowledgeable about how nature "works" in wilderness... we are born into our artificial environment and get used to things that are impractical outside our environment..

      What do you think about finding some new approch to understand how really comfortable and safe we are within our mode of living?
  • Jan 29 2014: Are you asking why we don't have as many physical attributes as other beasts? Why we cant run quickly or climb as fast or see in the dark?
    Or are you asking why we don't manipulate our own genes(which we can do with technology) to give us these abilities?
    Or are you really asking why we don't sit around and wait a few million years to evolve?
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      Jan 29 2014: This is just “great” the way you try to interpret my questions, except the first one "Are you asking why we don't have as many physical attributes as other beasts? Why we cant run quickly or climb as fast or see in the dark?"

      But I would not call other animals - "beasts", its your Personal concept.

      I’m much more interested in Why, in spite of mass produced devices, we still so poorly sense where we actually are, and what is really happening to us, personally and in general.

      Again - the facts are not at all new - we can only see and judge what we perceive based on the very surface of what our ephemeral sight is providing.

      But I want to know what other people can suggest to do next --- towards some human evolvement. ..

      This topic is Not to Argue about how poor our development is. It is the fact. But How we can improve our mentality, sense of reality and sense of our real ever changing environment - is a crucial question.
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    Jan 29 2014: One thing I can say for sure - we are naturally the greatest Imitators/Actors among all creatures we know so far. We imitate everything we like, and want to use whatever we like, not always for survival but for playing.

    We frivolously interpret and use nature’s "ideas" in our own, still very primitive ways, just like young kids.

    We keep building and mass producing our technology after whatever we may "discover" in our environment, whether we may benefit toward overcoming our difficulties because of our lack of natural abilities for survival, or we just play technological devices as if they were our "exciting" toys, and then, paying dearly for our careless deeds, and ignorance.

    My question is why we cannot Try to understand WHY we cannot sense, predict, hear, see, smell, swim, run, or fly well enough on our own?

    Why not, in stead of building so many gadgets that easily fall apart, making poisonous mess, damaging something beyond our comprehension, why not to learn to think first and try to re-evaluate our notorious concept on human intelligence?

    We still do need to Answer these fundamental questions.

    We have many unsolved problems within our very human nature, even with our technological help. Living on soundbites of “Progress” and junk "sciences" many of us refuse to recognize these problems.
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    Jan 29 2014: Maybe the reason why we cannot naturally develop ourselves well enough is that we are still too new and too young compared to other lifeforms living on earth. Our human civilization had started developing only some thousands of years ago. We started developing and playing with our lifestyle, in stead of improving our natural abilities to survive.

    Technology cannot compensate for our inabilities, lack of intuition, and for disasters we have been created. For instance, why do we keep creating communication devices reaching places around the globe, in spite the fact that these devices do Not help us understand each other any better than millennia ago?
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    Jan 28 2014: Perhaps because our technological devices are superior in every way, and more adaptable, than anything we could achieve biologically.

    You're seeming to say that technology is bad, and I'm not at all sure why you would claim such a thing. Please explain further.
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      Jan 29 2014: Thank you for your post, Lawren .

      I'm not saying anything knew. Some answers to my questions we can be found in most respectful segments of sciences, and in great philosophy. I'm just saying, in my own words, that technology we develop may work only as our salvation, for awhile, it 's very limited and lead us "blindly" into situations we cannot predict.

      Technology cannot compensate for our inabilities, lack of intuition and therefore intelligence, and after all - disasters we have been created. I do not need to defend these well known fact.

      We are still handicapped creatures in many ways.
      Maybe the reason why we cannot naturally develop ourselves in such sophisticated ways as other living forms, is that we are still too new and too young compared to other lifeforms living on earth. Our human civilization had started developing only some thousands of years ago.