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Responsibility, the missing link to progress

Everybody talks about responsibility. Over and over again we hear "I am responsible" however there are no repercussions, it is just three lovely words that are in fact a "get out of jail free card".

OK my friends let's bust this subject wide open!
On my fourth attempt TED finally allowed this conversation I suspect because the people involved in Corporations have a largest impact on "responsibility" simply because of the size of the organizations. This is not about "organizations". This is about individuals who are serving within organizations and that is where the responsibility lies.

I believe this lack of responsibility at the core of every organization is the biggest problem the world has ever experienced and it is about time we looked at it. As long as the world continues to bury it head in the sand and ignore this chaos will prevail.

Just because we put on a different mask at work does not relieve us as individuals of responsibility no matter what our corrupt laws may say.
"Man’s law is not just, it is just law"- Keith W Henline
“Law is mind without reason”- Aristotle

Recent Examples of Political Responsibility Gone Wrong:
Governor Chris Christie (Fort Lee Traffic Scandal)
Ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (Beghazi Scandal)
The American Solution (Wonderful.. Now they are Qualified to run for President)
It reminds me of the qualifications for getting into a gang or the Mafia

Closing Statement from Keith W Henline

Responsibility of course is personal thing which spills over into every other aspect of our lives. Family, friends, business, religion, work and play all are effected by our ability to be responsible. That responsibility flows from the individual all the way to top of our government and back again. We love to point fingers at the government and shift the blame to anywhere else beside ourselves but that dog won't hunt, that excuse won't fly. I wrote this years ago and I think it is still the bottom line:

"The Law of supply and demand, you control it and no government, politician, corporation or military can break it. This law is the only viable solution to all the world's problems and it is totally up to you! If you want more pollution, crime poverty and injustice, keep buying what they are selling. If you want change, simply change your buying habits. It is that simple!"- Keith W Henline

It must start with you! "Be the change that you want to see in the world"- Mahatma Gandhi

Thank you one and all for your inspiring challenges and participation.

  • Dec 25 2013: The lack of responsibility is a major problem. It is driven by culture and the reward system we are brought up with. There is another issue which is the assembly line/division of labor makes no one person feel that is his/her product.
    • Dec 25 2013: Yes Wayne you are making a good point and coupled with that is the misnomer that bigger is better such as monopolies. Laws against monopolies in the United States are the Sherman Act of 1890 and the Clayton and Federal Trade Commission Acts of 1914 but today they are ignored by a congress that are simply puppets of the monopolies they should control.
      • Dec 25 2013: Could not agree more, the two times I can remember where we actually broke up a companies due to monopolistic practices was Standard Oil and AT&T.
  • Jan 9 2014: How about (or is there already) an open sourced database focused on corporate responsibility? In this capitalocracy, the only vote that I really have is where to spend what little money I have. With a digraceful political system where legislators, laws, and judges are bought and sold through campaign finance, the only way to progress is for us to become responible consumers.
    • Jan 9 2014: "open sourced database focused on corporate responsibility" Excellent idea Jacob.

      "The Law of Supply and Demand, you control it and no government, politician, corporation or military can break it. This law is the only viable solution to all of the world's problems and it is totally up to you! If you don't buy it, they don't make it. It's not them, it's you! If you want more pollution, crime, poverty and injustice, keep buying what they are selling. If you want change, simply change your buying habits. It is that simple!"- Keith W Henline
      • Jan 9 2014: Do you know of any website like that? A wikiresponsibility? If you find time maybe you can start a TED conversation about it. I cant seem to start them. I get an error "crsf attack detected". Jimmy suggested changing browser, which I need to try. I'm not sure if its because I'm working off my phone instead of a computer. Thanks for the response, its always a pleasure discussing these issues with you!
        • Jan 9 2014: "crsf attack detected" I do not know why this error message occurs but I figured out how to get around it. It seems to be a timing problem, it only allows a short amount of time to receive all the information from you and after that time the error message occurs. To get around it simply put all your information in a word document, then when you are ready, start your conversation and copy and paste the info into your conversation page and submit. I'm looking forward to your conversation.
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        Jan 9 2014: I agree that "If you want change, simply change your buying habits", and that taking this kind of personal responsibility would change the world. But there is a flaw in the capitalist supply and demand dream. I´m told over and over again "Americans don´t buy bad products", or any other nationality for that matter. What is it that makes a product bad? Is an iphone bad? It´s clearly a great product.. but it is just another Congo basher. Shards of diamonds are used in their phones and Apple is dependant on the Congo being in a constant state of turmoil to supply us with those phones parts. So Apple is clearly a... terrible product. Transparency is also a massive problem, not just responsibility. People just don´t know these things so they´ll just keep on buying it. So, I think the problem is far bigger than responsibility, I think it is systematic. America, just like anywhere else with a privatised central bank, is a corpocracy.
        • Jan 9 2014: Tom I think we agree on a lot of things and like you seem to be, I was concerned more with how the world around me is than how I am. More and more I recognize that the world around me is simply a reflection of our collective minds. It is the way it is because we allow it. We could change it simply by changing ourselves but that is easier said than done. Old habits, traditions and information in all forms are so much a part of us that even a slight change takes an enormous amount of energy and even after a change it takes years of practice and reinforcement to solidify that change, to become that change.
          "Nothing exists outside the mind for it is the mind that makes it so"- Keith W Henline
          On the money and banking I also agree with you. A solution is "Time banking"

      • Jan 9 2014: Thanks, ill give it a shot!

        Edit: it worked, my conversation is pending. Thanks for the tip sir!
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    Jan 5 2014: I ran out of space point in highlighting Google and McDonalds is that they should be looking to reduce their carbon footprint as a regular aspect of their business. If there is one light bulb that uses less energy and we all agree that energy is a scarce the energy efficient light bulb and be done with it. Companies should not be winning awards for these metrics.

    The real work is about aligning to a national/global issue and rethinking what our quality of life should be (ie, not centered around growth).

    The problem (as I see it) is that both businesses and government officials often refer to non profits stepping in to get the populations they cannot. That is a huge assumption. Who actively facilitates a large national issue and provides the framework for businesses, government and non profits to align in order to really chip away at core issues we wrestle with as a nation?

    The UN lists various world issues: equality, hunger, environment, etc. An example of how McDonalds could rethink their business model would be to take on the national hunger epidemic by incorporating a buy-1 give-1 to a ***government-or-non-profit administered*** meal program. This mission would be intentional, align with hunger and equality issues, reinforce the sustainability efforts they already have in place, create new customers in under served areas, and tackle a societal problem. They could even partner with their competitors to do this. Leadership is a key aspect of this type of endeavor.
    • Jan 6 2014: Christine I am in the process of reorganizing after moving but I read your comments and would like to give them a well thought out response hopefully later tonight. You are not late at all, most of heavy weights are on holiday vacation and are just starting to come back home so I expect some intense conversation in the coming two weeks. It took me four try's just to get this past the conversation monitors who I believe are worried about offending corporate sponsors but I would like to talk about individual responsibility which in turn will affect every aspect of our lives. Thank's for joining TED and our conversation about what I believe is the most important topic ever talked about here.
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    Jan 5 2014: I'm joining this really late...A lot of the conversation seems to be focused around the term "responsibility," what it might mean and contain as a concept. I'm finding this to be the case with other terms I'm working with in my research, namely: crisis, sustainability, and ethics. All three are hot buttons and people have very definitive impressions of what these terms should or should not contain. To me, this part of the discussion is "content" and not getting down to brass tacks.

    In 2012, a paper went out that basically said people with more money behave badly. A short summary of that research is here: A link to the paper is here

    To me, it's all the same conversation since what we do in crisis, how much we support sustainability efforts, or how much responsibility we assume (in life, at work, of ourselves), is related to what we think we are entitled to.

    That said, when I look at CSR programs in large companies and the measures they are focusing on, I'm saddened. Looking at social measures alone facilitates the internal conversation of helping an organization "be less bad" rather than thinking about what could be done. Google's motto is "don't be evil." Is that all we can expect from a company with a current stock price of over $1000 per share? McDonald's seeks to only use fish from sustainable fisheries for their sandwiches. Given their overall national footprint, is that the best we can look forward to?

    Integrating financial, product, and social measures is more than adopting better light bulbs, eco friendly office carpet, and reducing server rack space. It is about looking at how the company can do its part in reducing national hunger; increasing the national education level for all; increasing productivity between business, government, and education; and stewarding the environment.
    • Jan 6 2014: Christine because you are new to TED I will try to be as respectful and gentle as possible. I believe in your heart you really do want to help and because of your involvement in corporations you have a unique perspective from the inside, that helps and hinders you.

      “term (responsibility) is content”- Responsibility is at the very core of the majority of our problems. Individuals are the foundation of all man made organizations and if the individuals are not responsible then only a fool would expect the organization to be responsible.
      As the research you pointed out demonstrates, the more money is involved the less people act responsibly.
      As you also pointed out CSR programs are typically a minimal response usually to a lawsuit. A feeble attempt to pacify the outraged public. “is that the best we can look forward to?” I totally agree with your sentiment.
      “It is about looking at how the company can do its part in reducing national hunger; increasing the national education level for all; increasing productivity between business, government, and education; and stewarding the environment.”
      I think I would be happy if they would just fix the stuff they break and discard along the way for others to clean up. I am not looking for a hand out, I just want them to be responsible citizens and stop poisoning my food, water, land and air.
      “non profits stepping in to get the populations they cannot” This is just another instance of the “entitlement” problem you described earlier.
      Corporations are a virus that consumes everything around them that they can plunder and then they turn on their own members and continue to consume themselves until they die at which point they go to another area and start over.
      Finally your McDonald’s proposal. NO... Hell NO! Please watch Supersize Me:
  • Dec 28 2013: I contend that the first responsibility is self discipline. The Asian cultures seem to manifest this quality honorably. Everyone being equal is a fantasy because we are all wired differently, identical twins prove this, similar but still different. Can you imagine the world all the same? It would be a mess, millions of auto mechanics but no one to cook a meal. When you have a high degree of self discipline you will find it very difficult to lie to yourself and this keeps you on the straight and narrow. Be the best you can be, and if your are, you will be a very responsible person.
    • Dec 28 2013: I agree with all your observations Jude and I certainly would not want to live in a world without variety either. As you stated so wisely the problem is within each individual and there lies the solution also. If we build better humans then better organizations have to follow suite. To try and change the organization is fruitless without first trying to change the building blocks upon which it is founded.
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    Dec 27 2013: Perhaps adding the word professional in front might help - ie: as in "professional responsibility".
    The notion of being a 'professional" (historically at least) brings with it the notion of "service to the community" coupled with certain innate standards of "professional ethics" in whatever field you work (traditionally, Law, Medicine, the Church, Engineering - and then broadened out endlessly since).

    The trouble is that people who work in the above disciplines are no longer 'sole traders' (as in the family lawyer, the family doctor) but part of large corporations who see their responsibility, even their professional-ethical responsibility, as primarily to the share-holders, as per the capitalist model. Additionally, the general culture of organisations that has developed over the last 20 years or so is that of "managerialism" (ie: after keeping the shareholders satisfied, our next duty is to our own pockets); and thereby the notion of "public service" as the main realm for responsible action is pushed down further out of the picture. The treatment of "whistle-blowers" who you could argue were trying to act professionally-ethically-responsibly will bear all this out.

    So a re-invention of the notion of "professionalism" (with its code of ethics) may help a little.
    Beyond that I can only suggest - as I did with my kids - that with every extra "right" they had as they grew up, a responsibility came with it - to try an inculcate the idea that rights (more power) & responsibilities (service to others) need to be kept in balance.

    However, we also live in larger sweep of history, an historical era of rising greed and declining restraint in all areas of public life, not just business and politics.
    So taking a lead from Buckminster Fuller, I would suggest we support those people who are trying to grow new ways of doing things that make the old ways redundant and irrelevant - rather than attempt to fight or change the system head on.
    • Dec 28 2013: "If humanity does not opt for integrity we are through completely. It is absolutely touch and go. Each one of us could make the difference."- R. Buckminster Fuller
      You are so right Joshua, Bucky was right on the money and I am simply repeating the same lesson over and over until we "get it". As Bucky and Gandhi both said it is up to everyone of us to be the change we want to see in the world. To teach by example. Here is some more wisdom by Bucky:
      "We are not going to be able to operate our Spaceship Earth successfully nor for much longer unless we see it as a whole spaceship and our fate as common. It has to be everybody or nobody."-
      R. Buckminster Fuller
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        Dec 28 2013: I agree. I think the founder of the Ba'hai religion might have read Bucky too - since their guiding motto/strapline/diktat is: "One World, One People"
        • Dec 28 2013: Oh yes, Bahá’u’lláh was a very wise man. They believe and he claimed to be the return of Christ in another body. I particularly liked his exit, he was killed by firing squad but the second time. The first time they fired he disappeared, they found him back in his cell with eight of his transcribers hard at work putting the finishing touch on some of his writings and books. His son `Abdu'l-Bahá and then Shoghi Effendi carried on his work. Today their are over 5 million Ba'hais spread all over the world including my family at one time. I used to have a tee shirt with "Wage Peace" another slogan of the Ba'hais.

          Allah‘u’Abhá Joshua
  • Dec 20 2013: Responsibility should come out of passion, interest and commitment towards one’s work, and it shouldn’t be a forced upon duty. Lack of responsibility spoils the action intended resulting regression. What I would like to point out is responsibility should be inborn and not forced upon so as bring progress and to halt a go back to regression.
    • Dec 20 2013: I agree Jemshina, when I was growing up we called that pride in our work.
    • Dec 25 2013: Jemshina,

      I do not think responsibility is inborn but learnt early on. It usually comes from the family.
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    Jan 6 2014: Thanks, I look forward to your perspective. It's concerning that the conversation topics are so concerned about corporate sponsors. That is not how TED started. I hope TED continues to go back to its roots and pushes, pushes, pushes the conversations that we must have. There must be an agitator out there that continues to think in new directions.

    Without it, where will we find constructive conversation that takes us away from the industrial concepts and assembly line thinking? That had merit at one time, but is having diminishing returns to current problems.
    • Jan 6 2014: Yes, it's called corporate greed or (advertising).. It destroyed AM radio, then FM radio, then TV, then cable and now the internet.
    • Jan 11 2014: Christine the same problem ALL corporations have has spilled over into every other aspect of our lives. It all boils down to "responsibility" and it starts with each individual. About 1,000 years ago humans came up with the NO LIABILITY idea for a few organizations, like a town, so they could skirt all the red tape and laws getting in the way of a project that would serve the common good and "No-liability corporations" were born! That is still a good idea when used in moderation even today. So? What happened?

      Well somewhere along the line, companies who had to pay for all their own mistakes or go broke saw what an advantage the corporations had with the "No-Liability" clause. I am sure a few lawyers and politicians got a wonderful bonus that year and the law was opened up so anyone for whatever purpose could form a no-liability corporation and the greed race jumped on the Freeway with no end in sight.
      Companies (now called corporations) could expand with little to no restrictions, they could take advantage of the labor market, pollute and ruin the land, water and air, produce toxic products and answer to no one, in fact the shareholders encouraged it because they end up with more money and money was the only goal. Money can buy politicians, police, change laws and terminate the competition. Banks, Wall Street, Wealthy investors, Politicians, Lawyers, all the people with money came along for the ride and the race goes on.
      So you probably see by now, if you did not before, that one little change of the law that allowed anyone to open up a No-liability Corporation for any purpose is what started the snowball from Hell rolling.
      So what is the solution? We have to change that law "back" to the original no matter how painful the process.

      We can no longer allow corporations or companies to hide under no-liability laws. They must be responsible just like an other citizen!
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    Dec 31 2013: Hi Colleen, I couldn't respond to your post further down.
    As to job descriptions, sure, they exist in corporations as well as in govt. However, job descriptions are guidelines and in general don't get into all the details, especially when we look at high level jobs.
    I agree with Fritzi that high level jobs require lots of professional judgements not in detail covered by job descriptions.
    "people within government organizations can be accountable and responsible by following the wishes of the majority."
    Yes, that is possible, which means that approx 50 % of the population remains unhappy or even worse, disagree, with decisions made by the political leadership. As we see with the current US government, approval ratings are clearly below 50 % so, not even the majority of the population is represented properly.
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      Dec 31 2013: Hi Harald....I found you and your comment! LOL:>)

      I was simply offering the idea that there ARE some job descriptions, in response to your statement..." the question also arises as to who defines the responsibilities".

      I agree....job descriptions are generally guidelines, AND that is a place to start! If a percentage of the population remains unhappy, disagree, and want to be represented more effectively, they need to get off their butts and make it happen!

      Happy New Year my friend, and may 2014 provide the opportunities for accountability and responsibility in our world:>)
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        Dec 31 2013: Happy New Year to you and everybody who happens to read the post !! :-)
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          Dec 31 2013: From me to everyone as well.......Happy New Year!
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    Dec 30 2013: Keith what exactly do you mean with "responsibility" ?
    If you are a janitor in a corporation, your responsibility most likely will be to keep the floors clean.
    On the other hand, the responsibilities of a CEO are obviously a bit more complex.
    Then, the question also arises as to who defines the responsibilities. While this might be easy to answer in the case of our janitor it becomes again more complex in the case of the CEO.
    If you look at governments, what is their responsibility ? People can't even make up their minds as to what the government should be responsible for. Some want the govt to stay out of their affairs as much as possible while others expect govt to hold their hands 24/7. So which expectations should the govt. accommodate ?
    The way I see it, before talking about responsibilities, one has to clearly define the expectations. This is true for organizations as well as individuals.
    • Dec 30 2013: Whatever job or position I have I am expected to do the right thing.
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        Dec 31 2013: Kieth, Would it be possible to use terms like ownership, be held accountable, accept responsibility and the rewards / consequences of one actions, etc ...

        In 2010 SCOTUS declared corporations to have person hood. So does that means that there is corporate and individual responsibility withing the corporation?

        In government ... Harry Truman once said the Buck stops here .... todays politicians say it is the fault of the other guy and pay millions to spin doctors to hide the problem ... it seldom is dealt with and never goes away.

        Your quote from above: Whatever job or position I have I am expected to do the right thing. Is the mark of a man with honor and character. Rare these days.

        John R. Seffrin, CEO of the American Cancer Society, received $2,401,112 salary/compensation from the charity for the 2009-2010 fiscal year. From: Wikipedia .. American Cancer Society. I is my opinion that the salary is very "charitable".

        In 1995 the Arizona chapter used about 95% of its donations for paying salaries and other overhead costs, resulting in a 22 to 1 ratio of overhead to actual money spent on the cause. That would be approximately five cents of each dollar to the cause. (same source)

        We are making progress in the fight against cancer ... but has the American Cancer Society acted responsibly? (my opinion) NO.

        Just my opinion .... Bob.
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          Dec 31 2013: I fully agree. The example of the cancer society shows exactly that the issue isn't that simple.
          While I agree that they wasted (and still waste a lot of money (and so do most charities) some people might claim that they improved the life of many and hence see them as responsible.
        • Dec 31 2013: There is an old saying that you can't get there from here. Coupled with another which says progress not perfection. Now if we start with the assumption that none of us are perfect we can come up with a scenario that goes something like this: 1) We strive each day to do the best we can with the tools we have been given today. 2) Tomorrow we may have better tools and better circumstances and if we apply rule #1 the results should progressively get better. Life is a journey and not a destination. There is no judgement at the end of life, judgement comes every single time we make a choice and it follows like night follows day. It is the law of cause and effect.
          In other words, you are your own judge and you alone make meaningful judgements every time you chose to do the right thing or otherwise. It is all up to you, you can build a prison around yourself or you can build a mansion.
          "Death is not to be feared by one who has lived wisely"- Buddha
          "No one saves us but ourselves. We ourselves must walk the path"- Buddha
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        Dec 31 2013: That might be, but somebody has to decide what the "right" thing is. Sometimes this is obvious, but in many cases it is not.
        • Dec 31 2013: It is always "you" who decides what is right.
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          Dec 31 2013: Harald,
          You write...
          "If you are a janitor in a corporation, your responsibility most likely will be to keep the floors clean. On the other hand, the responsibilities of a CEO are...a bit more complex.
          "...the question...arises as to who defines the responsibilities. While this might be easy to answer in the case of our janitor it becomes... more complex in the case of the CEO."

          I believe it is relatively easy to answer your question regarding these positions. Generally, BOTH of the positions you use for examples have job descriptions, so on a simple level, that is usually a guide.

          You state..."If you look at governments, what is their responsibility? People can't even make up their minds as to what the government should be responsible for. Some want the govt to stay out of their affairs as much as possible while others expect govt to hold their hands 24/7. So which expectations should the govt. accommodate ?"

          I think there are also job descriptions for government jobs/appointments/and elected officials. In my perception, people within government organizations can be accountable and responsible by following the wishes of the majority.

          Harald..."The way I see it, before talking about responsibilities, one has to clearly define the expectations. This is true for organizations as well as individuals."

          Every position I have held in local, regional or state government, every job I have had, and every volunteer position I have held has had job descriptions, and I agree with you that it is important to define the expectations of people holding certain jobs and positions. It seems like that is done quite regularly in our society.

          I agree with Keith... it is up to us, as individuals to follow the requirements of the job description or not. I think what is confusing regarding government, is, as you say....some constituents want one thing.....some another. Majority rules.....yes?

          Remember what you said in a recent comment....sometimes humans make things too difficult!
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          Dec 31 2013: Colleen, you are correct that the public sector has job descriptions. But many, and most of those involving policy and high level professional judgment, are left unspecific enough to give a person who holds the job the flexibility to make adaptive judgments in changing times and to spread to different tasks and emphases. I have never seen a job description in the public sector that could be mistaken for a goal-setting document or that embodies metrics for evaluation of job performance.
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        Dec 31 2013: "It is always "you" who decides what is right."
        I can decide what I think is right from MY POV. However, that doesn't necessarily have to agree with what others think is right.
        • Dec 31 2013: Because I believe with good reason that most of the population is in a "drug" induced stupor, ironically the more people that disagree with me, the more I am reassured that my actions or thoughts are correct.
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        Dec 31 2013: Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Not sure if it is stupor or plain laziness.
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      Dec 31 2013: " .... some people might claim that they improved the life of many and hence see them as responsible."

      Your right of course ... which leads us to the greater problem ... a public that does no research and is is willfully uninformed. The United States of the Sheeple.

      People throw money at issues to ease their conscience. Facts would just mean that they would have to live with themselves and let the ole conscience keep on ticking. Naw ... throw the money ....

      Thanks for the reply .... Bob.
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        Dec 31 2013: The bigger question is how do you change society ? How can you get people more interested, more educated, more involved, etc.
        Look at this case of this 13 year old girl that was declared brain dead already a few weeks ago but her family refuses to disconnect her from the life support system because they believe, based on their ignorance coupled with religious belief that a miracle still can happen against all odds.
        That is the kind of ignorance that damages society and that's something we have to figure out solutions for.
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          Dec 31 2013: Yeah, I feel bad for the family. However, brain dead is pretty conclusive. There has been no mention of how this is all being funded. Are they insured, on welfare, no insurance, in the great Obamacare debates this should be ammo for one side or the other. Wonder how long it will take for some reporter to exploit this as a insurance issue. A death panel issue. The other problem is a judge that has caved in and supported the family when no hope exists. The media has kept this alive as a story ... just like Colorado .. Sandy Hook .. etc... Time to leave the families alone and let them have closure.

          The media should find out where the billions went that were assigned to Haiti and Katerina. That would be useful to prevent this type of corruption.

          Heck we can't even get people to take a interest in their own children let alone events and/or politics.

          Now with CORE and STEM subjects like econ and poli/sci will be cast aside. Perhaps giving credence to the argument of the Dumbing Down of America.

          I wish you well. Bob.
  • Dec 30 2013: I understand the conversation is about corporate responsibilty, but I'm afraid I agree with some of the comments below in that it may be a moot point. I think the real issue is fully accepting our personal responsibility. This is not a moral or ethical responsibility necessarily. Not something forced upon us by a deity or a philosophical code. I think its a matter of taking a practical look at the effect we have on the world around us. This is not a comment on free will or determinism either. However free we may be, we do seem do have the ability to make conscious choices, though I will concede the point that this may be an illusion and that most of us (myself included) are wasting most of our "conscious moments". I enjoy philisophical bantering as much as the next person but I have decided that since I'm not likely to find any ultimate truths about the nature of reality I should instead try to find a practical approach to navigate through this life. I have come to believe that since I am under the illusion that I have consciousness and will then I am responsible for what I do with them. A matter of cause and effect. If I caused some to happen then I am responsible for it. As Mr. Chomsky says "we are responsible for the predictable consequences of our actions". I think that this responsibility extends to every conscious moment because ultimately I see conscious human beings as nearly pure potential. Every action and interaction with this world(and person in it) leaves a permanent effect that will ripple on through time, no matter how small that ripple may be.
    • Dec 30 2013: "This is not about "organizations". This is about individuals who are serving within organizations and that is where the responsibility lies."
      No Jacob, this is not about corporations, governments or any other organization, it is about us, the people as you so eloquently pointed out in the last half of your statement. It is about individual responsibility. These corporations, governments, religions, all of these organizations were built by people, for people and are a direct reflection of the people they serve. So if these organizations are a shamble then look no further than your front door step for the cause.

      "The law of causality is the law of identity applied to action. All actions are caused by entities. The nature of an action is caused and determined by the nature of the entities that act; a thing cannot act in contradiction to its nature . . . . The law of identity does not permit you to have your cake and eat it, too. The law of causality does not permit you to eat your cake before you have it."- Ayn Rand Galt's Speech, from "For the New Intellectual"
      • Dec 30 2013: I may be misunderstanding the point you are trying to make, brother, though it seems like we're basically on the same page. I guess what I was trying to express is that the "lack of responsibility at the core of every organization" is notthe biggest problem this world has ever faced. The lack of acknowledgement of the extent of personal responsibilty in the light of mankind's evergrowing population is, and though we seem to agree that it is far past time to examine the repsonsibilty of these organizations, I think our efforts would be fruitless until the individuals they are made up of take the initiative to look at themselves in the mirror. And speaking of mirrors, I know full well that the state of our society is not so far away as my front door step. I am acutely aware of the stains on my soul and try to face them every day. Thank you for yourresponse and for starting this conversation
        • Dec 30 2013: Yes Jacob I think we are on the same page and more and more people are turning to that page but not for the first time... we all read that page in kindergarten and fully understood it then. I think a major turning point for me was when I took the TV and through it in the trash where it belongs. My children were raised without TV, imagine that. One of them is now the news anchor for the largest TV station in Hawaii. I still don't have a TV but I do watch some of his broadcasts from the internet. Here is a clip of Keahi's Obama Golfing broadcast:
  • Dec 29 2013: You will find if you want to change someone or something the first thing you change is yourself. It's sometimes very difficult to change yourself because you have every excuse available to you not to change.
  • Dec 25 2013: Dear wayne what I meant is responsibility shouldn't be sth forced to take upon as being a part of convention, rather it should be felt and initiated from within (sorry to confuse you using the word inborn instead of inside born) out of our passion and commitment.
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    • Dec 23 2013: Come on back anytime Johnny, aside from your NLP interests, I believe you truly are interested in and in fact are helping people. When I was involved with hypnosis it was considered quackery also much like NLP is in some circles today. It is pretty hard to become monetarily wealthy in the service of others without all the side line quackery. However if you value service over monetary gain then you will be rewarded with more profit and less money. There are many aspects of profit, not all involve money.
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        Dec 23 2013: Thank you. I might just do that.
        When one separates the reward from the work, the work loses it's integrity and so does the worker.
        It then becomes about the reward and the work, quality and the rest, suffers.
        I am interested in the work, the reward always follows, according to the quality of the work.
        The real reward always remains hidden. The real reward can never be established.
        The real reward can never be distinguished from the act itself.
        Then there is integrity, in which case I am all for it.
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    • Dec 23 2013: The psychopath conversation is down the hall first door past the elevator.
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        • Dec 23 2013: Psychopath is a mental disorder and although one could easily argue that the entire human species is in fact a little crazy, I was hoping to have that conversation as a separate issue we could talk about. I find it is more productive to break problems down into there simplest forms and once I understand the core problem I can then see how it has effected other areas around it. If we skip steps in between some people may not follow the whole sequence and my goal in teaching is to reach as many people as possible.
          That being said you are so right, just a little ahead of our conversation.
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    Dec 23 2013: In being responsible and honest, there is no benefit.

    In being honest one cannot profit in the same way that being irresponsible/dishonest can.
    Progress is driven by benefit/profit.
    Progress without profit is non-incentive based.
    Don't think so.
    • Dec 23 2013: You're not even in the same ball park, try harder..
      "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
      We have at least two things in common Johnny, we both know the power of hypnosis and Buddha, I know you can do better!
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        Dec 23 2013: I don't play the game of "trying hard" or any trying at all.
        But thanks for your appraisal.
    • Dec 30 2013: I'm afraid that Mr. Atman may be right in the context of finances and business. You don't have to look too far or wide at the corporate model to seethat you can be extremely financially profitable by being a cuthroat cheat. I am encouraged to see and hear about more and more businesses that fly in the face of this school of thought though. I think that for many of us though progress and profit are vague terms. It can be said that modern medecine has only progressed as much as it has due to the brutal progression of warfare. If I'm not mistaken most of the medical advances in the last h century happened on or because of battlefield trama.I use this example ti illustrate the double edge of the sword of progress. I am glad to have access to the life saving techniques and technology in modern emergency rooms but they have come at an extremely high price. And how much has civilization "progressed" when the majority of the people on this planet do not have access to these advancements. I think that each of us must find a balance in our own lives. If Mr. Atman, you are comfortable lying and cheating your way to profit, then do so. I am by no means or standards a saint. I think though most religions and schools of thought will point out the high personal cost of personal gain at the expense of others. I read thearticle you linked and have no scientific evidence to refute it, though I have no doubt there are studies out there that do so. All I know is that I have both bullied and been bullied inmy life and feel the weight of the pain I have caused when I can bring myself to remind myself of it. If you feel absolutely no responsibility for the well-being of thepeople around you then you have my pity for the loneliness that comes with that mindset. I hope you can find the benefit of being honest and responsible sometime in your lifetime.
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        Dec 30 2013: Mr Warren,

        The comment that I have made, was for the public at large, and not for the spiritually progressed, clairvoyant type people like yourself, that can see the truth light years away.

        I sincerely apologies for any discomfort that I may have triggered in you, and seek to pay damages should you insist to it, as per the US law.

        Please reply so we can settle it before the trauma sets in..

        • Dec 30 2013: Ha! Good stuff. No trauma on my part man. Its just that I've been in the mindset that you were being the devil's advocate for and don't wish the consequences that came with my decisions on anyone else. Not clarvoyant or spirtually progressed, just unfortunately experienced.
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    Dec 22 2013: What kind of progress do you have in mind?