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Keith W Henline

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Are human beings a virus?

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we (computers) are the cure.
Points established:
1) Humans are in fact mammals!
Points in question:
1) Humans are different from all other mammals?
I would say "NO", 65 million years ago monkeys were bashing other monkeys heads in for sport just as humans and monkeys still do! What's changed?
So, are human beings a virus?
Again I would say "NO" but we sure act like a virus with most of the same characteristics and with the same result(destruction of the host).

Thank you all for participating and as usual I will give any of you the last word. There are still two days left to add anything you want to the summation and conclusions I have drawn above. Love the dark...Keith

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Points established:
1) Humans are in fact mammals!
Points in question:
1) Humans are different from all other mammals?
I would say "NO", 65 million years ago monkeys were bashing other monkeys heads in for sport just as humans and monkeys still do! What's changed?
So, are human beings a virus?
Again I would say "NO" but we sure act like a virus with most of the same characteristics and with the same result(destruction of the host).

I believe we can do better, it will be up to our next generation and so far they are not disappointing. I love their independent, self-confident, nature. Just what is needed! Go get em kids

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    Dec 14 2013: Humans are mammals (I think most of us can agree on this point)
    Are humans different from all other mammals?
    I think that is a fair question and I am leaning toward no in the face of evolution.
    However we do have problems with our species and I think most of us can agree on that point also.
    Some of the questions I have are: 1) What are the problems? 2) How long have they existed? 3) How can we fix them? 4) If we are a virus then we will have to be exterminated and that is a big problem but if we just have a virus then how do we get rid of it? Maybe only some of us have a virus? What do you think?
    Question? Where are the ladies??? Wait a gall darn minute, I know how to get them in here!
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      Dec 15 2013: "Are humans different from all other mammals? "
      Yes and no in my opinion.
      Technically speaking we are not much different than other mammals.
      However, only humans have the level of intelligence we have and only humans with their use of technology are able to tweak nature in a way that other creatures aren't able to.
      As to our problems:
      We look at problems within the time frame of a human life span or less. However, the question is, are those problems REAL problems or do we only perceive them as such because we lack the long term view.
      Humans roam the earth for a fairly short time and since we started to walk on two legs we constantly made progress and our lives in general improved and got increasingly longer. Doesn't sound so bad, does it ?
      Humans always faced one problem or another but eventually we also found means to overcome them. Is there any reason this trend should come to a screeching halt ?
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        Dec 15 2013: The biggest problem I see is because of the size, strength and attitude of corporations (I break it, you fix it or we both ignore it), they are destroying the planet a lot faster than we can fix it. They are stealing the earth's future and they must be held accountable very soon so the question is how can we hold them accountable. I have tried to host that question but TED doesn't like the idea I presume so we won't embarrass their sponsors.
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          Dec 16 2013: Keith, I think that view is a bit too simple. How would a world be w/o corporations.
          Corporations aren't doing anything at all. They are made of people and as in all areas, there are people that are doing good deeds and others that aren't.
    • Dec 16 2013: In terms of how we treat "the environment", yes, we are different. We have and exercise the capacity to VOLUNTARILY RESTRICT OUR EXPLOITATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT. I capitalize this specifically to emphasize the statement in opposition to the silly nattering of "nature" cultists. If anything sets us apart from other animals, it is that we can and DO choose to not exploit everything around us to the limits of our ability to exploit. Should we exercise this capacity more? Probably. However, portraying us as somehow more innately rapacious than any other organism is nothing but mumbo-jumbo nonsense.
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        Dec 19 2013: "...silly nattering of "nature" cultists... mumbo-jumbo nonsense..."

        Once again, great debating Bryan.

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