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What's your opinion on Unconditional Basic Income? (This is not Communism)

The Basic Income movement is one that is quickly gaining ground around the world. Both prominent right and left wing persons have given their support for this idea.

What's your thoughts on Basic Income, do you think it's a good idea?


EDIT: I forgot to mention (in case you haven't heard) that what sprout the movement was Switzerland's proposal for basic income ($2800 monthly). http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/04/us-swiss-pay-idUSBRE9930O620131004

EDIT 2: This is NOT meant as a universal cure for all the problems of the world, things like education, politics, corruption and deceases are separate issues (even though Basic Income might help with them) if you wish to solve those issues please join or start a conversation about those. However discussing them with respect of BI is very fine and encouraged.

Please try to NOT sway too far from the topic, which is "What's your opinion on Unconditional Basic Income?". Comments to others opinions are of course free to go far from the topic, but preferably not too far.

And please try to be constructive and mature in your comments to others on this conversation.

Also please read AT LEAST the provided Wikipedia article on Basic income as it will answer many questions posted here.

Thank you for reading this explanation...(?)

Topics: basic income

Closing Statement from Jimmy Strobl

Wow, thank you ALL for your contributions to this conversation!

There's no way that I'm going to be able to summarize what was said here.
But I do feel that people might be ready for this transition or at least they are able to be convinced that it is feasible.

Anyway, thank you all for your participation and sorry for the lack of response the last few days.

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    Dec 31 2013: Manishka, the inequity between the rich and the poor, both here at home and abroad, is appalling. When some families own multiple homes and others are living in cardboard boxes or make-shift shanties, it's astounding that we believe ourselves to be "good" Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc., or even Buddhists, who specifically espouse compassion.

    Despite our apparent sophistication and endless technological advances, we are little removed, spiritually, from those early humans who abandoned their caves in what today we call Africa, and began travelling over the planet, and now beyond.
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      Dec 31 2013: agreed Don. Most folks are still afraid of "others" while prejudices and arrogance run rampant through our cultures. However, in the current economic model dominating the world today a person's worth is based primarily on what they gain from their exchange of labour for wages and/or their wealth. A UBI offers the opportunity for a person's worth to be derived from how they contribute to their community and that is where the prejudices and arrogance can be undermined and even eliminated.
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      Jan 1 2014: Don,

      I can't reply to you down there so I'll do it here.

      I'm SO GLAD that we actually managed to sway one person who's initial reaction was against this by using reason and well founded arguments. You are the kind of person that brings me hope about the eventual success of UBI.

      And I'd also like to add that when I first heard of the concept (about 8 months ago) I was also not persuaded that it was good, but the more research and the more debates I had the more of a proponent I became. Now, as you may have noticed, I'm somewhat of a crusader for UBI, maybe you will also be that in a year. :)
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      Jan 1 2014: I so agree Don! The same species that came up with all the inspiring philosophies and concepts is the same species that perpetrates the horrors of the world.

      Funny you should mention Buddhists in this context. The closest thing I have to a hometown has a lot of Tibetan Buddhist refugees who've always been mild and modest actually demure is the best fitting for men and women both.

      Then I see reports like this:

      I just think that there's not enough recognition of our fellow humans as humans.


      The thing that really stands out for me in this talk is when the winners of this obviously rigged monopoly game were asked to describe why they won, they listed their own actions. I was not surprised.

      It reminds me of the people who give hardworking labels to rich people and lazy label to poor people.

      But most of the land in the world is owned by someone. We can't just choose not to participate in the system. We were born. We have a right to survival.

      A UBI is a message. To those that need it. To those that don't need it. "We survive together" "Worth" is concept applicable only internally as in self-worth. And when evaluating goods and services. Never to be directed at another human. This idea should have gone the way of slavery..... Oh wait that's still around too :(

      Well anyway, glad to talk to you on TED!
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        Jan 1 2014: Manishka, here are a couple of entries of mine from the "Experience Project"

        The First Shall Be Last
        Refusing to contribute to the well-being of each other is creating a society in which the disenfranchised are no longer able to contribute to the well-being of the whole. This unwillingness to help one another is a downward spiral which may lead to the eventual collapse of our society. The formerly unassailable rich will also succumb as the support structure collapses.
        Aug 22, 2009

        Is Consumerism Consuming Us?
        We have reached a point where we owe more than we produce, or can produce. We pay interest on interest for things we have purchased yet no longer want, yet we still shop for more stuff.
        Also, we believe that it’s wise to begin paying after we receive the stuff, and are still paying for it long after it has lost its usefulness or its allure.
        Feb 9, 2009

        Share The Wealth Which You Create.
        Some would have us honor the rich, arguing that their wealth creates jobs. In fact, the rich are indebted to us, the producers and consumers, because we develop, produce, distribute, maintain and buy back the goods and services which we provide and which sustains their wealth. Without our continued cooperation in our dual roles of producer-consumer, there would be no more wealth for anybody. That we continue to do the 'heavy lifting', without receiving a more equitable share of the proceeds, is perplexing.
        Oct 2, 2011
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          Jan 2 2014: It sounds like you too have been thinking about the inequities in the way our economy is structured.

          This section seems especially relevant now "Share The Wealth Which You Create. "

          UBI has come around at a particularly good time I think. I hope it works the way it's supposed to.
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        Jan 2 2014: Yes, Manishka, we are on the verge of a serious adjustment in the status quo, as worldwide awareness and concern over centuries-old social inequity continues to grow. This local, national and global imbalance has puzzled me since my youth as, despite the obvious fundamental disparities both at home and abroad, religious and social groups proselytized about our responsibility as our brothers' keepers.

        After centuries of talking the talk, it's time to walk the walk.

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