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Nthabiseng Sibaca

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Will things ever be equal?

Will there ever be equality in this world or will humans always find some factor to try and differentiate themselves as the better "gender, race,educated person, from a better country" at any given instance. Is it in our natue to do so? A survival instict perhaps to give you an edge to compete in life?

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    Dec 9 2013: Why the obsession for equality? Isn't equality another bogus product of "rights entitlerment", rather than an innate and moral regard for "difference"?

    By trying to make things the same as everything else, are we really saying, as an example, that the biological imperative of male/female are no longer required to perpetuate existence any more? Is our evolved biology not good enough to suit the society we alone have created for ourselves?

    The kind of society that sees gender difference as dysfunctional, is what we should be seriously questioning and putting right, so women can flourish AS women - not to have to be equal to men.


    “Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness”

    (Alejandro Jodorowsky)
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    Dec 4 2013: what if instead of investing all this energy to be equal..we learned a new way to segment life...to see...Equal has been advertised for a long time and has had a bad time in being implemented...so what about a NEW way to think..at least for western thinking types...to completely see th idea of opposites being toghether simultaneously and creating...even the universe,or great things like art...Why I say this is because I think that the capacity for humans to understand at a level of implementation one must think beyond equal in concept. or .as if new conceptual skils will allow duality to exist only when the concepts of difference being sold as GREAT is first planted...then equal seems easy,or less threatening. Phobia of equal may infact be a factor of seeing life too simply...so teaching how things continue or look opposite may be the foundation for teaching those who worry,or hoard,or malign great attempts at improving a collective are able to see the world beyond their current dualistic view...us or them
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      Dec 5 2013: Really great way of looking at it. There is beauty in people being different and it allows for creativity. True. I think the problem arises when things become competitive. People perhaps feel the need to put the others great difference down instead of focusing on higlighting their own in a positive manner. Or perhaps those with inferiority complexes tend to fear someone else based on a difference they view as being better than themselves and this then destroys their idea of difference being good.
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        Dec 5 2013: yes...but I think in fact your question has caused me to consider the mental task of thinking is itself restricted by a cultures inexperience with anything but DUALITY and in fact without a complete knowledge of all useful structures that generate EVERYTHING..many of mankind have no muscle of mind to resolve how two things in fact are one...or how a six,or three sided event works perfectly in nature and therefore is a model of behaviour...e.g. if one is less aware of multiplicity,resolving duality looks huge...but one you witness the behaviour of say a hexagon...it is beautiful and now two things appearing unresolvable in appearance emits something ,not feared but seen as opportunity for change. Psychologically the famaliar is eventually fatiguing to the brain...so the organ itself has an affinity for NEW...Plus duality is an illusion often and is in fact a thing that is continuious ....but no one I know speaks this way...so our education ends at the edge of a dangerous illusion
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    Dec 6 2013: The Father of our Nation, Tata Nelson Rolihlahla Madiba Mandela who fought for our people to have equal rights has left us.
    Through him and may others we have been afforded an opportunity to compete from an equal base. Seeing the lives of those before us and to see how far things have come when we see the equal rights granted upon us Id say equality matters somehow.
    • Dec 6 2013: Nthabiseng, I don't look at his passing that way.. I believe Mandela is very much alive, well and closer than ever before as he has entered our hearts and soul where he will be safe and loved forever. I share your grief, I hope you share my joy.
      "Education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world"- Nelson Mandela
  • Dec 10 2013: The dream is that all are born equal, something that is not possible with capitalism. How can people compete with those with such a head start. Private education greatly increases the probability of success.
    People can work their asses off all their lives and still struggle. Hard work does not ensure a comfortable life.
  • Dec 10 2013: Not under capitalism.
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      Dec 10 2013: You are right.

      Capitalism is not about equality. It's about personal hard work, taking risks, fulfilling needs of society for goods and services.
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        Dec 10 2013: Um, capitalism is about earning money, it's as simple as that. Everything else is second or third.
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          Dec 10 2013: Jimmy,
          Capitalism is only about making money.... it's not a religion or a philosophy.
          It is most simply a process for an entrepreneur to provide goods and services at a profit. It is not about equality or social justice or freedom for all. It may be a rational for the pursuit of happiness here in the states. I know more then a few entrepreneurs who are happy.
      • Dec 10 2013: People born with a silver spoon in mouth worked hard for it. I have a dream.....
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          Dec 10 2013: And you should have a dream. I have often dreamt that if I was born with a silver spoon... but you can't choose your ancestors. So, instead of dreaming, go out and get your own silver spoon. For fifty years, I was out in the world seeking my fortune, I didn't find it. Maybe you'll have more luck.
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    Dec 10 2013: We are all equal in death.

    doubt there will be equality unless we evolve into a different species that is less competitive, less tribalism, less hierarchical. Maybe we will always have hierarchies being social creatures, and different capabilities.
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      Dec 10 2013: A sure recipe for extinction. Less ..... But then, there are those among us that believe we are not worthy of survival.
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        Dec 10 2013: Oddly those who think that we're not worthy tend to not count themselves...
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          Dec 10 2013: There is a story about two men running from a lion... one asked the other "Do you think you can outrun the lion?" The reply was, " I just have to outrun you".

          If I understand Darwin, there is no evolution into a species that is a kinder and gentler species... We are as kind and gentle as we are going to get...
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    Dec 9 2013: It is unfortunate that Africa has no educational standard and therefore you cannot compare quality of education unless its private schooling. South Africa has not been in as much turmoil as the rest of Africa and therefor it would seem better to those seeking refuge and safety....
    Xenophobia is caused by the neglect of the countries people and preference given to foreigners. It can be triggered land, money, inequality... Greed
    In South Africa your example of a better country is a case of some people are more equal than others
    Another concept you should know... When travelling, people of the same country tend to group together for security and companionship, this is most evident with self imposed squatter settlements post appartheid.
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      Dec 9 2013: The 'self imposed' concept is maybe a debate you should pose. Would be interesting.

      Perhaps take the term xenophobic away, but the undermining of foreign nationals has been around way before any kind of perceived preference was given. People literally were scared of 'these people' that they were not familiar with. Its from here that people leveraged themselves on whatever basis they could find and my question is why? Is it just natural instict?
      I believe the attacks are what spun out of the, again perceived preference.
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        Dec 9 2013: i don't think they were scared...
        i think they feared another African person taking or getting what should be theirs...

        it is unfortunate that the south african constitution is written for Africans, not south africans
        and black would be the term used for other generic africans -coloured, indian, chinese-...

        it is instinct to protect what little resources - what if your little is made less

        africa has many different cultures which have suffered under colonialism and now the new world order trying to make us all the same... people without heritage , without culture, without difference...

        ubuntu goes out the window when there is no community

        international law in Africa gives refugees more rights and help than they do in Europe or America
  • Dec 8 2013: To me there will aways be inequality in this world. Humans always want to be the best, and this is why they want to have some inequality. People cannot be equals. There will always be someone who has a better job or who lives in a poorer country. But to me, there are some sectors where the equality should be, like for education and health.
  • Dec 8 2013: What I think you want is equality of opportunity. Can that be achieved? There will always be some degree of inequality of opportunity, hopefully it will be minimized. For example, education for each student should be at a certain minimal level. When someone is hired, it should be the best qualified person for the job, no matter gender, race, etc.
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    Dec 7 2013: define better country???

    we were never equal to begin with... equality is a fools dream woven by the puppets wanting power.

    to survive in any life, you need to improve your skills... that does not happen overnight, it takes time....
    you cannot expect things to be handed to you because of gender, race, education

    some are more equal than others...
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      Dec 9 2013: Im not sure with the term xenophobia, its a problem we suffer with in my country where some locals judge themselves as better than the rest of Africa because our country is a bit better off. So you could find that a foreign African national could be as educated, and hold the same social status but because they are of a different nationality they are still seen as lesser. So that's an example of what I mean by 'better coutnry".

      Fair point though and I agree, one must still work towards what it is they want instead of wanting something purely because we're all equal and the same. We all must keep the wheels of the world turning.

      Im interested though to understand what you mean about some being more equal than others. How so?
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    Dec 7 2013: In the context, I read your question, no.
    There is no equality in mankind. We are as a species over 7 billion individuals and no two are exactly alike, while Identical twins come close, some DNA specialist will find a variation in some string somewhere.

    I embrace that we are all different. Each of us has something to contribute to all of us. Most of us will never know the contribution of one, but it is there as in the voices of a great harmonic choir.

    What I can see is not equality, but appreciation for each of us by all of us.
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    Dec 7 2013: We are all different, but we have a human value (actually human value is not what I mean, I just discovered that there's no English word for what most Swedes agree on, Google wishes to call it dignity but that's not what i mean either...) and that worth/value/dignity is something that should be equal for everyone. Just like we should all be equal under the law.
    And yes, I believe that we will get there.
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    Dec 7 2013: There will always be a discriminating factor. Height, weight, sex, color, etc... Some of this will be done in the open and most it will be done quietly and more damaging.

    In your country things have changed a great deal in the last 50 years ... change is slow .. but total equality is probably not ever going to occur ... Racial on all sides), religious, cultural, etc ....

    All the best. Bob.
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      Dec 7 2013: We could stop being disagreeable. That would help.
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  • Dec 6 2013: Hi Dear Masodisa,I think we can't estimate equality or justice with concrete things,real equality comes from heart.
  • Dec 5 2013: "Equality" is man's own creation in response to fear and anxiety over rejection. We are only "unequal" if we believe we are. There really is no such thing as equality, it's just part of a person's own mental "imagination".

    No one wants to be equal. We purposely make ourselves unique by the way we dress, act, our religious beliefs, our hairstyle, etc.. We pride ourselves in being who we are, we don't condemn ourselves for NOT being the same as someone else.

    It has and always will be just an ego power-struggle. We don't want equality, we want to argue and fight, we want to be the alpha, we want to be powerful, to have control. And that is just human nature.
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    Dec 5 2013: Equality is not in this stage of life, I suppose. And the thing that makes me mad is that I am so helpless. But still I try, I look for my local needs, get some warm tea for a person, defend a child, support a homosexual. Maybe if we all do something little for the people around us, it could get alright.

    Still, terrible things happen to people on that planet. But sometimes I think, I'm so tiny for this world but maybe I could make a change. So this is when I try to imagine and visualise the life of people in extreme need. I think of them - not like a prayer - just a thought, a support and love towards them.
    However, I will grow bigger and will try to keep this inside my heart, then, when I can make a change I would fight for equality. But not by judgement, just by love.
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      Dec 6 2013: Wow Gloria, what you may be doing that you feel is little, is worth a lot more to the next person. It could be that extra motivation for them to pull themselves up and see themselves in a better light because someone cared. So no, you are not helpless, you are doing a lot of good.
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        Dec 6 2013: Thank you!
        Every each one of us can do little things. Believe me, there's not such other feeling like the happiness after you were kind!
        For example, when people on the street ask me for food money, I tell them to wait. I go in the store or to my home and fill a bag with nice things they could eat. Then I give it to them and they embrace the bag with such happiness. It's magical ! It's like a cheap de-stressing therapy! Go on, don't be ashamed, be kind and it's going to return back multiplied! :):)
  • Dec 5 2013: If you believe in Karma or physics all things are equal. Karma says whatever you do comes back to you. Physics says Matter cannot be created or destroyed and Nthabiseng, you matter.
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      Dec 6 2013: Quite profound Keith. I will be quoting you!
      • Dec 6 2013: I think that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me. Thank you Nthabiseng. If you do quote me, don't worry about recognition, I already know who I am. My words are for all to share, copy them, use them and if you make them yours, then they really mean something. We must learn to share or perish. I made two videos with some of my quotes on a variety of topics that you may enjoy:
        http://youtu.be/mmuz0YMqcCU
        http://youtu.be/lGoxRmzGQ_U
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    Dec 5 2013: Yes, life will be equal AFTER human's become extinct. But not before....
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      Dec 6 2013: And is this a good or bad thing hmmmm?
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        Dec 6 2013: Hello Nthabiseng,
        It's a good thing for all the species who face extinction due to our dominance, control and ignorance, It might be a bad thing for those who live lightly upon the earth. And certainly will be perceived to be a bad thing for all who think we have the right to destroy earth's ecosystems.

        May the world wake up to the wisdom of your great leader, Nelson Mandela and may he rest in peace....
  • Dec 5 2013: Never has been full equality, and probably never will be.
    It starts with the humans themselves being different, and is helped along by how beneficial hierarchical systems (by their very nature unequal) can be in a variety of functions.

    Besides, the concept of equality is in of itself contradictory. I have two unequal people (given), that I treat equally; is treating equals unequally fair? Is treating them equally fair? They are different after all.

    Lack of equality is right up there with death and taxes. You don't have to like it, but its not going away anytime soon.
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      Dec 6 2013: Ok, so this is how I started out responding "Id say treating them equally is fair. You grant them the opportunity not to see themselves as lesser or more"
      Then I thought but you have to offer a man in wheel chair a ramp and a walking man stairs right, not exactly equal treatment. But maybe it is equal treatment because you are giving them both fair and thoughtfull treatment, to enable them to get to the same destination. So maybe equality is a concept which excits, it jsut needs consideration?
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    Dec 5 2013: Why does it matter?
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      Dec 6 2013: HI Pat, Are you saying we should just live and not worry about whether we are equal or not? Fair point. Would it matter though in places where inequality is forced upon people thus putting them in a worse off state?
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        Dec 6 2013: One is racial inequality the other is financial inequality the prior is unacceptable the later is irrelevant.

        Would you rather live in a country with the most financial equality in the world, North Korea, or would you rather live in a country with the most freedom and a higher standard of living for the poor regardless of the equality?
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          Dec 6 2013: Pat, Perhaps it would be instructive for you to read and understand the wisdom of a tall and lanky man who once was president...when he said,

          “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just power from the consent of the governed.”

          Unless or course your a money changer fleecing those at the temple.
        • Dec 6 2013: Pat
          I cannot find the North Korea data you speak of, the Gini index list 31, far from income equality.

          They are very secretive though.

          Maybe you meant Switzerland or Netherlands or Japan?
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        Dec 6 2013: N Korea has more equality by virtue of their socialism.
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    Dec 5 2013: Equality is a lot like 'freedom' or 'love'. Abstract ideas in the mind of humans.
    If someone is asked to define, explain or share his/her understanding of these words, all we'd get is a variety of meanings with similarities and differences.

    Equality, love or freedom, all require some sort of personal responsiblity; such that it is always easy for an individual to blame an 'other' for an imagined role in the failure to achieve these.

    As long as we are humans with our power to make choices, we may never be 'equal' because selfishness sometimes compels us to hold tight to the status quo. Hence in reality, equality remains a myth because even if what we say, says we want it gone; what we do says we dont.
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    Dec 4 2013: There always will be differences because each person is different from another.
    The problem are not the differences but our judgements.
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      Dec 5 2013: True. I think this negative judgement based on whatever difference one can leverage is whats bothering.
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        Dec 5 2013: I think often it's lack of education as well. Many people fear the unknown or anything that's different from what they are used to.
        So, as education improves these negative attitudes also should improve (at least that's what I hope)