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A Conversation on the TED Terms of Use.

I'd like to have an open conversation about the terms of use here on TED.

It's obvious to anyone here that has read them that they either aren't enforced or are no longer applicable.

WE NEED CLARIFICATION, but first a conversation to get the best and brightest ideas in here.

"TERMS OF USE
Welcome to the online TED.com community!

1.This website is provided as a public service to promote the spread of good ideas. It welcomes anyone willing to join us in this pursuit.
2.You are encouraged to view as many TED Talks as you wish for free, and to share what you learn with others both online and offline.
3.Anyone 13 and over can join TED.com by providing basic contact information (first and last name, email address, country of residence). Once registered, please feel free to set up a profile and join the community in rating and commenting on TED Talks, participating in conversations, translating TED Talks, or by getting involved in a local independently organized TEDx event.
4.By inviting you to participate in TED Talk comments and TED Conversations, we are seeking to build a mature online community centered around ideas that matter. Please be aware, when participating, that we will remove:
*content promoting pseudo-science, conspiracy theories, zealotry, proselytizing, *self-promotion, product-hawking, and new-age fluff
*content written in txtspeak, all-caps, or otherwise lazy grammar
*content posted by members using joke names or non-names
*disrespectful, distasteful, unconstructive, or illegal content
5.If you are under the age of 13, you may not create a TED.com account. You're welcome to watch TED Talks and enjoy the site, but you need to be at least 13 to create an account on TED.com.
6.If you act disrespectfully, disruptively or illegally on TED.com, we reserve the right to terminate your membership, at any time, and without prior warning."

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    Jan 1 2014: Hi Jimmy
    To start with , I see a number of posts here already deleted, don't know which terms applied here , curious I am , do you know ?
    Agree with many here about grammar , as someone naive like me whose mother tongue is non English can be penalized.
    Other point about "disrespectful" "distasteful" ness is these are ideas, those at times have got lot cultural biases...so which culture are referred here while applying those , need to have some clarity .....
    With the point of "illegal" I am more scared.....as in the history of mankind many times innovative thinking had been considered to be illegal......
    Freedom of speech is my preference but I also observed how this being misused , abused by even Main Stream Media...so don't know how to ensure it...!!!
    It's really good to find here in your discussion that second innings of my good friend Pabitra is going well..... :)
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      Jan 1 2014: Salim,

      The posts that were deleted was in fact an account that was removed and therefore all of the comments made by that account. He was causing great mayhem here at TED, deemed by me and others to be a very sophisticated troll, simply here to cause maximum disruption. So the deleted comments are according to me totally fair.

      Now about grammar, disrespectful, distasteful. I fully agree with your points. Some will try to justify this by saying that "they are only enforced when necessary" which is to say nothing except that Admin is free to do as they wish.

      Illegal is also a really weird term. I'm guessing that it's for legal reasons somehow, but if TED intended to protect itself legally with a good user agreement the Terms is really not even close to enough as they are, so that's just silly according to me. It also does not state which laws we have to follow, is it US law? it probably is since the Sapling Foundation is located in the US but still. There are just so many crazy laws in every country and if we would have to abide to all of them we'd have nothing to say at all. And I don't want to abide to US law, I'm Swedish and have some great disgust for the US legal system (as I have for my own legal system).

      Did you notice how everyone here only criticized what is in the Terms, not what may be missing.

      All in all it's very poorly written document, if you can even call it that.

      I too am a great proponent for freedom of speech, there was a time when I thought that content curation was needed here but I've outgrown that.

      The thing is that we can never be free from obscenities, instead we should put systems into place to ensure that that is still something that you can write but that people won't have to read unless specifically asking to do so.

      Reddit has a very evolved system for this kind of self policing, where things that are downvoted much are hidden and something that you are warned about before expanding to read that comment. I'm out of characters...
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        Jan 2 2014: Thanks Jimmy for the background about the deleted posts......though it's sad but I have to agree with your comment as you said "The thing is that we can never be free from obscenities"...

        My feeling is whenever innovation happens, even law of most developed country can't embrace it immediately until it evolves. Law never ever can drive innovation rather innovation all the time drove law to change or evolve. ....i.e. well known Galileo case...

        It's sounds Reddit have done good work about self policing or self censorship...thanks for your information, will check your link
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      Jan 1 2014: THIS is how a conversation between a company and it's community should be with regards to User Agreement.

      http://en.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/1sndxe/weve_rewritten_our_user_agreement_come_check_it/

      Reddit is just really wonderful! Notice that you only get to see the 200 most upvoted comments out of 2500 by default. It's a really good way of creating the best content.

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