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Why is marijuana illegal?

Marijuana WHY is it illegal?

Some say "It's a gateway drug to hard drugs because when people buy this drug off dealers they are exposed to hard drugs" If this were the reasoning legalizing marijuana would mean people wouldn't need to go to dealers who may hook them on hard drugs so we'd be "closing the gate" between soft and hard drugs.

Some say "Marijuana can kill you if you smoke it." So far there appear to be 0 recorded deaths from any kind of overdose.

Some say "Marijuana can give you mad cow disease" So far not only does it not do that but its showing to have MANY positive medical affects including but not limited to fighting cancer.

Some say "the legal costs to taxpayers to keep marijuana illegal are beyond staggering" So far this is absolutely correct.

Our debate is to determine exactly what justifies the significant societal costs of marijuana being illegal on any level at all.


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    Nov 18 2013: The immediate effects of taking marijuana include rapid heart beat, disorientation, lack of physical coordination, often followed by depression or sleepiness. Some users suffer panic attacks or anxiety.

    Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke.

    Marijuana changes the structure of sperm cells, deforming them. Thus even small amounts of marijuana can cause temporary sterility in men. Marijuana use can upset a woman’s menstrual cycle.

    Mental functions of people who have smoked a lot of marijuana tend to be diminished. The THC in cannabis disrupts nerve cells in the brain affecting memory.

    Cannabis is one of the few drugs which causes abnormal cell division which leads to severe hereditary defects. A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby.

    Studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis.

    Synthetic Cannabis is used to abate pain (induces euphoria) and eases eye pressure in glaucoma patients. There is no diseases where it is a cure ... the effects are temporary and associated with sedative effects.

    The bad points far out weigh the benefits ... they call it getting "stoned" for a reason.

    This subject comes up about once a month. I realize this is a extremely liberal web site ... but the push to justify weed once a month shows the market is alive and well.

    From the law enforcement view .... it is a factor way to often in crimes ... and often associated in motor deaths and homicides. It is not a victimless crime.

    I hope you or yours do not die for someone else fun or worse kill someone while using drugs. Not saying you do ...

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      Nov 18 2013: Homicides? You almost had me convinced until I read that bit! :P

      It's not just liberals who smoke it. Do you have any sources for this list of claims?

      (though if you'd rather not discuss this topic again... that is totally alright.)
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        Nov 18 2013: Yes Homicides. Dealing drugs is a big and very nasty business. When drug deals go bad the results are fatal .... get into debit with your local dealer and see the mercy he will show you.

        Turf is money and is protected by force. Here in Arizona there are signs all along the border that say it is a drug zone and do not enter. Ranchers are killed just for being in the way of the cartel moving drugs into the US.

        There are hundreds of sites that tell the dangers of Marijuana. I chose the AMA and CDC as sources.

        I am surprised that you have never heard of drug wars .... but then again with all the information available on harmful effects ... you have not heard of them either.

        Talk to doctors who attempt to save a life but cannot because the veins have collapsed ...

        There really is no way to change minds .... there is only two camps .... for and against.

        See if your local police have a ride along program ... ride with a officer and see and hear first hand .... volunteer to work the emergency room .... see the results of drug use first hand. Then if you still do not believe .... enjoy and good luck.

        Thanks for the reply Fred.
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          Nov 18 2013: While marijuana is certainly used by gang members and trafficked by cartels, so are weapons, but one would be totally wrong to say that weapons are only owned and used by gangs and cartels. It would be wrong to even say the majority of gun owners are gang bangers.

          For marijuana this is even more so the case. Maybe the cartels still traffic to your state, but visit a state where medical marijuana is legal and everything is locally grown. Sure medical marijuana is an incredible front for recreational cultivation and sale, but in states that have legalized it, the stereotypes you've referred to here are even more irrelevant.

          I smoke marijuana almost daily (I confess!) and I don't interact with a single thug like character. My whole network of peers, many of them heavy smokers their whole lives, have nothing to do with the criminal culture you allude to here, and have no "drug dealers". They either grow it themselves or purchase from a friend that grows.

          If the "nasty business of drug dealing" you refer to here is at all relevant in your state, it's likely because of prohibition. In any case, marijuana is likely the least of their interests.
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          Nov 26 2013: Bob?

          " Yes Homicides. Dealing drugs is a big and very nasty business. When drug deals go bad the results are fatal .... get into debit with your local dealer and see the mercy he will show you."

          ..but if marijuana were decriminalized and or legal.. people would simply grow it for free in their backroom and never meet a dealer .. and if they can get it for free that dealers out of work..
          ..I think this particular point .. of yours is in FAVOR of decriminalizing and legalizing marijuana?
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        Nov 19 2013: We are a gate way state for the cartels to move their goods and even if it was legalized here we would still have the trafficking issue and killings this includes drugs and human trafficking.

        This conversation was directed as to why marijuana is illegal and that was what I directed my response to.

        Six states have decriminalized non medical marijuana including yours. It is however still against federal law. The import or export would be a crime. However, with Maui wowie available why would you.

        Thanks for your reply. Bob.
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          Nov 26 2013: Bob .. the same way people grow tomatoes or any other plant, they'd grow their own pot.
          There is no special preparation you simply grow it, hang it to dry, roll it and smoke it.

          The cartels as you say would drop it like a hot rock because the dollar value would become less than bubble gum if decriminalized and still hardly more if legalized. Simply would not be worth it provided the cartels can yet use HARD DRUGS LIKE COCAINE and heroin etc. to fuel their trade.

          .. although it would cut into their business somewhat.. all the youth and people that normally use marijuana recreationally? .. would never meet them.. never get introduced to hard drugs by going to see them for pot... marijuana as a gateway to hard drugs.. would be closed..
      • Dec 7 2013: TY Fred
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          Dec 7 2013: NP, I'm replying to your other reply here, because there wasn't room over there.

          "as we know the corporations already run the government all the way to the Supreme Court and I am not impressed with what they have done to the government."

          Exactly. Though to be fair, the OP is from Canada, and it could certainly be a very different situation over there. Here in the states we have private sector-government wedlock, with incredible resources at its disposal, and with our foreign influence, a kind of global hegemony for business. The establishment's interest in illicit trafficking wouldn't cease, it would just change shape, and in many ways its control over the "product" would increase.

          There's a recent CNN clip here, with a former Microsoft executive describing this vision: http://www.weedist.com/2013/11/cnn-video-pot-mint-millionaires-microsoft/

          This same man wishes to create a Starbucks-type chain of weed cafes - http://www.businessinsider.com/starbucks-of-marijuana-coming-soon-2013-5

          I'm not fundamentally against this. If I want to open a weed cafe, I should have the freedom to. But nebulous rights aside, let's examine the implications. It's nice that there's a Starbucks in every town. But their baked goods are shipped in frozen. And that's still okay, because there's often local shops that bake things fresh. But imagine if we had a world where baked goods were technically illegal, yet hidden in the basements of each town, remarkable muffins and bagels were baked fresh, local and organic, and a remarkable community enjoyed these high quality baked goods safe in the underground. If the opportunity to legalize baked goods was presented to them, but they understood the Starbucks that were to come, perhaps they would agree that they have things alright? As long as baking was decriminalized, their rich local cultivation could continue, and the Starbucks would never come.

          It would probably hinge on whether or not legalization meant they could bake their own goods.
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      Nov 18 2013: i bet 500 dollars that all of these are either false or entirely irrelevant.

      but what is absolutely certain: none of these validate banning.
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        Nov 18 2013: I seldom use the term "absolutely certain". I used information from the AMA and CDC but what do professionals know.

        There are only two camps .... for and against. I will not try to change minds but would hope that they would consider the health issues and the dangers of the drug wars and the people who enforce the no quarters penalties.

        Thanks for the reply.
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          Nov 18 2013: for and against what? drug use or drug ban?

          it is irrelevant what effects marijuana has. there can be no moral argument for putting someone in jail for growing, buying, smoking or eating a certain substance. you can have any opinion on it, but you have no right whatsoever to either stop me or punish me for it. i'm an adult, and i can make decisions for myself.
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        Nov 18 2013: I was glad to see you admit that there are bad effects to drug use. Your complaint seems to be that your are being told to not do something. Laws are most generally enacted for the common good. At some point the consensus or data from competent authority has determined that Marijuana was not in the best interest for the general good of society.

        The law against "growing, buying, selling, smoking, eating" as you state does not mean you cannot do it ... it does say that if you do and are caught ... there will be consequences.

        As a law enforcement person I can state, but not with "absolute certainty", that not all adults make good decisions for themselves.

        Thanks for the reply .... Bob.
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          Nov 18 2013: using shield terms don't defend you. if you have no right to kill, you also don't have the right to appoint someone to kill. that is the same thing. you don't have the right to violate me for eating something. therefore you don't have the right to elect officials that do. you, in person, are responsible for violating my personal rights. you don't even notice it, because you are so deeply got used to it. you, through the elected state officials, violate the rights of many many people every day, for no reason at all. those people have not done anything against you, you just initiated violence against them in the name of holy things. this is only quantitatively, and not qualitatively different than what the taliban do.
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        Nov 18 2013: You missed your calling. You should have been a spin doctor for politicians. Laws are one means of determining the right from the wrong. That you refuse to accept that is another issue. Is there any chance of addressing the subject .... We went from law enforcement to me being a terrorist ... I certainly hope no one has violated you for any reason. If you have acted in a manner that is against the existing law no one has violated your rights ... you made a bad choice. And I might add did so knowingly. You were aware of the law and the consequences ... so take your medicine for the bad choice you made. Just because you don't like it does not make it go away.

        To quote Shakespeare "Me thinks you protest to much".

        Does shield terms mean I carry a badge ???

        Confused by your reply but still here .... Bob.
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          Nov 18 2013: you could not be farther from the truth. laws have nothing to do with determining anything. laws are not even supposed to determine anything. they supposed to be the fruits of such a determination. but in reality, they fail even at that. our laws are created by rulers and rulers are elected by simple majority. all it takes is 51% of the people being ignorant, and bad laws are coming. let me emphasize that i did NOT talk about the violation of my "rights" as granted by law. but rather, my human rights as like freedom for example, or property rights.

          being aware of a threat does not mean acceptance. and acceptance does not mean agreement. just because the violator called out his actions in advance, it does not change the morality of the situation.

          well, i was not talking about your badge, but this is a good observation. a badge is also a shield. it frees you from the burden of thinking. it validates actions that would not be valid otherwise. it allows you to kick the door on someone that did not hurt anyone, just because it is "your job". it is established long ago that such status does not mean a goddam thing, and is not an acceptable excuse. but we still use that excuse, as it still works with the majority.
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        Nov 18 2013: Your arguments are emotional. Hard to discuss this issue with you. See ya.
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        Nov 19 2013: I love it. Thanks for the laugh.
      • Dec 7 2013: I'll put another $500 with yours... TY Krisztián
    • Dec 7 2013: WOW................................... MY B.S. detector just went off the chart!

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