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Is having a social class inevitable?

Will the gap between rich and poor be omnipresent? Can it be abolished? If you propose socialism to get rid of the classes, are you very sure the gap will not come back? Should we then solve this problem or leave it be?

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    Nov 6 2013: Cheyenne, This debate has been ongoing for a long time. The lure of Socialism / communism has always been the removal of the rich and equality to the workers / people ... a classless society. The lure of capitalism has always been the opportunity to follow your dreams, seek wealth and fame, live in freedom.

    It is not for me to tell you which sounds better ... the responsibility of each of us is to evaluate the system we would like to live in. To do that you must disregard the rhetoric and look for facts ... both good and bad.

    One good test case might be Cuba. This country has experience both Communism and capitalism.

    Evaluate the differences in individual income ... GDP .... various economic factors .... opportunity .... freedoms ... and other variables that you can think of.

    Be as fair and as objective as possible and find out which of the promises are more accurate.

    You have stated that you like Socialism ... Why? Write all of the things you like about socialism and then do the research .... do these "likes" survive in places that have converted like Cuba? That would be your comparison not mine or others that attempt to lure you.

    Write all of the thing you enjoy ... food ... clothing ... travel .... religion ... your choices. If you moved to Russia would you still have them available? Read about Argentina in 1916 when it went from one of the top countries in the world to the bottom in one year after the change from one form of government to another.

    It is not my place to tell you .... only to offer examples for you to evaluate. The choice is yours .... you have a responsibility to yourself to do the homework and make a informed choice.

    I wish you well .... Bob.
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      Nov 6 2013: Bob, let me ask you something, as I believe you are born and raised in the United States.

      Do you think of yourself as being of a different "social class" than people who have one hundred times your income or people of little material wealth?

      This is why I am confused about the question posed in the thread. Obviously there are large differences in income among people. But "social class?"
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        Nov 7 2013: I can only offer two instances 1) Social class = a broad group in society having common economic, cultural, or political status. 2) Social status (A.) Achieved status = rose due to their own achievements or (B.) Ascribed status = Inherited status

        In the USA I would think we use the term Social Status .... not social class. In the USA it is status symbol to be a millionaire and up ... belong to country clubs ... private clubs ... etc ...

        However, having the same culture, members of the same Republic, and the same economic structure ... we are of the same social class.

        Frequent visitors to my home are the Walton family, B. Gates, W. Buffet .... just some of the guys .... that could never have happened in a society that has "classes". Yeah Herman Walton lives two doors down ... Bart Gates next street over .... And good ole Willie Buffet from work.

        Cheyenne is a first year college student ... by some of her replies I would think she is a little loose with terms and is easily influenced ... my opinion. I have challenged her to do her own research and investigation.

        My daughter came home ashamed of us for not supporting all of the social programs and how we hated America and how her Professor had enlightened her to the fight for the people. We were relieved to find out that she only hated us ... NOT .. our money that paid for all her needs. Lucky us.

        Her answer to you and the replies from Lejan and Greg confused the issue and gave false answers to the real question .... It appears she is talking about earnings differences that others are defining as class differences such as lower, middle, upper. She could not discern a difference. All my opinion only.

        As ever, Bob.
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          Nov 7 2013: My kids have gone on scholarship to schools where very much most of their peers are from wealthy families. But all it meant was that the other kids had expensive stuff. They were all still peers at the same school and didn't/don't in any way stratify themselves socially in relation to income.
    • Nov 7 2013: my thoughts would be that people are the only ones corrupting whatever system.

      capitalism is being abused to the point of removing others the right to decent lives - unequal wealth distribution. the wealth of the whole country is concentrated among the 1%.

      socialism can also be abused in terms of regulating natural resources. if everything was available, natural resources would have long been depleted due to our continually exponentially increasing population.

      both of them have their good points, but i guess it's not good to stay in between. is it?
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        Nov 7 2013: Could you elaborate on your statement; "I guess it's not good to stay in between, is it?"
        • Nov 8 2013: in between would mean not taking any sides; you just have to get the good stuff from one stand and collate it with the good stuff from another stand.
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        Nov 7 2013: Cheyenne, I am a little confused. Do you want to talk about social classes or attack the rich?

        Capitalism is about the opportunity to succeed

        Socialism is not about "regulating natural resources"

        Do you for one minute think that if you took all of the money away from the wealthy that there would not be poor?

        Again ... read about Argentina in 1916 where they did take the money from the rich and find out what happened.

        Again I think you are listening to the sales pitch .... please do your own research ....

        Again your financial status .... does not ... determined your social class ....

        The terms low, middle, and high refer to income not social classes .. they are not interchangeable.

        As Fritzie stated ... kids at school are of different income levels but they are peers ... there is no class distinction.

        If you look around at your school ... are there kids who come from higher and lower income families? Are they of different social class than you? I think not ... the family with money may have more expensive toys ... but are still peers.

        Stop drinking the koolade and do your own thinking and research. Do not let me or anyone else make up your mind.

        If you do not learn from history ... you are doomed to relive the failures.

        I wish you well. Bob.
        • Nov 8 2013: i still have so much to learn. i'm sorry if i'm too confusing. hmpf. :(
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          Nov 8 2013: Cheyenne lives in the Philippines. Perhaps there is a strong sense of social class there which is strongly connected to income. Other places there are social classes determined by birth that "hold" even through turn of economic fortune.

          I believe this is culture-specific. This is why I asked Cheyenne about the culture in this regard in the Philippines.
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        Nov 8 2013: Oh, I understood what it means to be between! I wanted to understand how you have concluded that either extreme is better than a hybrid.
        • Nov 10 2013: i know there are good sides in everything. no matter how bad an idea sounds, it always has at least one good thing with it.

          if i take extremes, i wouldn't be able to consider the other ideas basically contradicting with my belief in most cases. i have to live up believing in such extreme.

          now, if i'm hybrid, i can select the good sides in every stand and make my own stand out of them. it sounds stupid but it basically means "i am for whatever right thing regardless of the stand".

          simply that. :)
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        Nov 8 2013: You have a approaching super storm ... please be careful. Thanks for your reply. Bob.
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        Nov 10 2013: Ah, but you wrote first it is NOT good to stay between. So you actually are in favor of a hybrid, which I think is what most economic systems are in practice.

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