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why do the majority of folks frown on the possibility of a materialist existance.

When seeing debates roll on about materialism vs immortal soul vs biblical teachings I've noticed most folks talk about materialism as if material is unworthy. What gives you that preconception especially when we don't fully understand or know everything about the physical realm? I would really appreciate your input, knowledge and ideas on the matter.

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    W. Ying

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    Oct 28 2013: .

    The reason is "materialism" makes mostly invalid (harmful) happiness.
    • Oct 28 2013: What dat means? Invalid (harmfull) happiness.
    • Oct 28 2013: W. Ying,

      I think that you mistook the question. This is not about "materialist" as in "money, money, money," but about "materialism" as in there not being spirits and such stuff.
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    Nov 1 2013: Because traditional teaching and cultures have always associated goodness with economic sacrifice. The wealthy have been the bad guys in all stories, movie scripts and most good heroes have been shown willing to sacrifice comfort and choose frugality to achieve greatness. This is no longer acceptable to the young generation and in an era where uncertainty rules. So we need more story writers and tellers to start renewed cultural teaching, which is specifically designed and developed to explain and convince that we will be judged by society, and will be recognized and become famous - based on how many we have benefited with our material gains and not just the quantum accumulated number. If this teaching starts, then in no time the next gen will be competing with each other to do good as they do today to accumulate. There will not be a phrase called "cut throat" goodness !! The other very crucial need is to teach and emphasize that goodness is a very basic and fundamental human trait and in now way is it acquired or associated only with religion.
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    Oct 30 2013: Good point Nathan! As I wrote in another comment on this thread, if there is a god, who created everything (biblical teachings) as we are sometimes told, it is realistic that she would also have created everything that is "material". I believe we are in physical form as humans, and according to some people who believe in a god, she put us in this form, so I do not understand either Nathan, why some folks believe the material form is unworthy. I am HERE....NOW.....and however I got here doesn't really matter to me. It appears that a man and a woman got together and created me, which I think is scientifically proven. That's all I need to know for sure right now:>)
  • Oct 30 2013: It would be nice to hear opposing opinions.
  • Oct 29 2013: Materialism is great, if the materials are useful. When a lot of people talk about materialism I get the impression they are talking about the purchase of random useless crap in excess. Which is easy to frown upon.
    • Oct 30 2013: The materialism I speak of is notPersonal property but all of existence.
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    Oct 29 2013: I am minority! ;o)
  • Oct 29 2013: Because to most it does not make sense. Science has made so many advances in the medical field that now Near Death Experiences are almost common and very consistent.Our dreams have nothing to do with our bodily senses, we can 'see' with our eyes closed, to limit our experiences to any part of the body just does not make sense.It is only the spirit that gives purpose to the life of the body. When we change our mind, that changes our brain.
    • Oct 30 2013: Ok.I hear what you are saying but what gives you the preconception that the particles that compose life is not capable of what you speak of?
      • Oct 30 2013: As I've been taught, God is Life and we are receptacles of life. The only way we can receive life is by way of us having been created in the image and likeness of Him. To me that means we are the only creatures with a spiritual side to us, which gives us free will. Only as we, our body and mind, are 'organized' can there be life and free choice. By themselves even our hands cannot do anything useful.
        Particles do not have a receiver (brain) that allows them to organize and/or make choices or changes in any organ. Even the particles of the brain itself, when damaged, could not, by themselves, move whatever they did, to another part of the brain and say "OK, you do it" That has to be achieved by a higher form of influence than by the parts themselves.

        I have not read it yet, but like the author, this may help, it is called "The Hidden Levels of the Mind".
        http://www.swedenborg.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Hidden-Levels-web.pdf
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          Oct 30 2013: The operative words Adriaan, are "I've been taught", and YOUR personal belief is what you have been taught......which I respect.....as YOUR belief.

          If there is a god, I prefer to think that I was created in the image and likeness of "HER". Furthermore, if there is a god who created everything, it is realistic to believe that he/she/it also created everything that is "material".

          I suspect the rest of your comment is based on what you have 'been taught" as well. Personally, I do not agree that your religious beliefs are the answer to everything.
  • Oct 28 2013: I think most people want a certain level of material things to support their life style but the ostentatious display of material and the buying of material things to be the center of a person's life to be wrong. It can be a cultural thing where everyone wants to be near the center, maybe a little above but center.
  • Oct 28 2013: When you say 'the majority of folks' you have to define your population sample. On philosophy debate forums, sure, but thats a very small part of the overall population. I'm sure if you take a poll on the entire human population of the planet, most won't even have considered beyond materialistic meanings.
  • Oct 28 2013: Materialism isn't necessarily a bad thing. Anyone who tells you that the physical world around them, and specifically their own property, is meaningless, is lying through their teeth. Most people, when they talk about materialism, seem to think of excesses, but there is no problem with a moderate version.

    Personally, I don't believe in the existence of the non-physical, so ignoring the more spiritual side of things makes perfect sense.
  • Oct 28 2013: Really
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    • Oct 28 2013: you have never been in a Ted debate conversation when it deals with science v religion type stuff?
  • Oct 28 2013: Since this is the only one kind of existence anybody has for sure, I would say that frowning is useless and nonsensical. Let's embrace life!
    • Oct 28 2013: Frowning communicates a dislike a strong disagreement so it has its place and that's usually the reaction you get when materialism is debated with religion or spirituality.
      • Oct 28 2013: I think you did not get it. I know what you are saying. What I'm saying is that this is the only one life we can be sure to have. Anything else, gods, heavens, 20 virgins, Valhalla, etc., the most people could say is that they believe that they will have them, but the only thing for sure is this one. So let's embrace life.
        • Oct 29 2013: Yup.live it while ur in it any thing past the grave is pure speculation.