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Gerald O'brian


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If the cure for mortality is found within your lifetime, would you go for it and become immortal?

On the one hand, we're not made for eternal youth. And one could argue that knowing life is short (or just limited) is what makes it worth living. And perhaps death is a major spiritual part of life, whether you believe in a soul or in a metaphorical one.
On the other hand, how is aging yet not another disease? Dying at age 80 is no more a "natural" death than being eaten alive by a bear or killed by malaria. In fact, "old age" is probably the most unnatural cause of death, statistically. So all that's probably just a cultural habit : diseases are evil but aging is good. Another point is that, well, things have changed. Perhaps our new environment makes it suitable for immortal youths.
And of course, becoming immortal only means that you die when YOU chose to die.

So would you go for the injection or not, and how do you rationalize your decision?



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    Oct 25 2013: I'm O.K with having one life-time at a time, sequentially. In this way I can enjoy my immortality and get a fresh start each time to put right the mistakes and misunderstandings I had the previous time around.
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      Oct 25 2013: At least if you are wrong (which is more than likely), you are not going to have any chance to regret your decision once you are gone.
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        Oct 26 2013: Not only in eastern religions, but re-incarnation used to be accepted as normal/obvious even in the emerging christian churches, up until about the year CE.350 when "official doctrine" decided you had only one crack at it to get it right. This was useful for the purpose of control and domination via religion as a political tool to keep people in fear.
        However, either way, I've got plenty of material to work from in the current life-time.
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          Oct 26 2013: Joshua, in a technical sense we keep re incarnating for eternity because they basic building block we are made of are not lost with our death. They only get recycled.
          It's just a question how one interprets reincarnation.
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        Oct 27 2013: I agree that 'nothing is lost' when we die, or rather 'nothing that is real is lost'.
        To what extent we remain conscious of some sort of individuality and to what extent we go back into some cosmic 'melting pot', before then being reconstituted in a different form, is a big question; and as you say - a matter of interpretation.
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          Oct 28 2013: Until somebody can prove otherwise, I have to believe that with our death, consciousness will be gone as well.
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        Oct 28 2013: What would you accept as proof?
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          Oct 28 2013: Any proof obtained using the scientific method. For example, somebody could prove that consciousness exists disembodied. Or,perhaps one could show that the source of consciousness is not the brain but something else.
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        Oct 29 2013: There are plenty of stories by people who have experienced OOBs (Out Of Body experiences), and been aware that their consciousness is existing somewhere other than in their body. I'm not sure if you would accept their testimonies as adequate proof.
        Where on earth did you get the idea that consciousness resides in the brain? By what authority is such a statement made? And why would you trust/believe that authority? And why should that "authority's opinion" be taken as the one to be disproved? To say that consciousness resides in the brain is like saying the film you are watching is happening inside the T.V.
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          Oct 29 2013: No, stories are stories and not scientific proof. Some people tell stories about alien abductions, Bigfoot, monster of Loch Ness and other funny things. Just telling a story doesn't make it true.
          So, you don't think that consciousness originates in the brain ? Cool, so perhaps you can tell me where it resides then, where it comes from and where it eventually goes after death.
          By what authority ? The human body is a closed system. We don't have features floating outside of our body, whether that is a soul a mind or consciousness. This is basic science you can easily find in countless text books.
          If you don't believe it feel free to come up with your own (scientific) theory, publish it in recognized scientific media, get it peer reviewed and then we continue talking.
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        Oct 30 2013: Well, given that the history of science is the history of failed theories, I'm sure we'll soon see science refuting the idea that consciousness resides in the brain - though of course brain activity and consciousness happen together.
        In fact, cutting edge scientists who have retained the ability to think originally and keep an open mind, already are thinking differently. For example, Margaret Newman in her book "Health as expanding consciousness". Also see the biologist Rupert Sheldrake in "7 experiments that could change the world"; and the work of Isthak Bentov, the later work of David Bohm (physicist), and Bruce Lipton (biologist).
        Of course, any discussion about consciousness needs an agreement and a careful definition of what is meant by it.
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          Oct 30 2013: Joshua, you didn't answer me. Where do you think is consciousness located if you think it's not a product of brain activity ?
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        Oct 30 2013: I'm with the mystics (Meister Eckard, Teresa of Avila, Hildegard of Bingen, Rumi, etc); consciousness is the stuff of the universe, and we are essentially made of the same "stuff". Consciousness is what we are.
        In as much as it makes any sense in 3D language, we are in it. The brain reflects conscious activity, rather than causes it. Like the TV example I gave, the action you see on the TV (paralleled as neuron activity in your brain) took place elsewhere (in the film studio); likewise individual consciousness tuning into part of "collective consciousness" to use Jung's terminology.

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