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suhaila mohammed

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Perfection is not abstract

We should not restrain from using this word. A concept of objective perfection. If i set a number of goals and did them the best way than that is perfection. My perfection could be a poor job to some one else but it doesn't matter. Every one can have a chance to be perfect

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  • Oct 12 2013: I need to think about this a bit.

    If a person achieves a perfect score on a test (100%), scores a perfect score in a game (like 300 in bowling), or similarly accomplishes a well defined task such that it could be done no better, than perfection is not abstract. Similarly, every person that attempts the task has a chance to be perfect. I think in these instances the perfection would be objective, in that any reasonable observer would agree that the person had achieved perfection in the task.

    However, in your statement " If i set a number of goals and did them the best way than that is perfection." the person accomplishing the task is defining perfection as 'the best way", which is subjective. A person's personal best may bring personal satisfaction, but an objective observer might not agree it is perfection. This is true for art, performance, thinks involving rates of accomplishment, creativity of solutions, lowest cost, most efficient or anything where there may not be a well defined answer.

    A statement such as "My perfection could be a poor job to some one else but it doesn't matter." removes the concept of perfection from objective to subjective.
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    Oct 13 2013: Your version of perfection is unique to you. It has no basis in reality. There is no reason to strive for perfection as it will never happen. The best thing you can do is realize you will never be perfect. The moment you believe you have reached a state of perfection you become ignorant.
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    Oct 13 2013: we're perfect with our weakness only in the universe of the perfection.
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    Oct 13 2013: Yes, that's not a bad idea. Everyone deserves to have a chance for trying to be the best person possible. But along a person's life, these chances appear frequently. One question is: are we ready to detect them? And, once detected, do we really wish to make the needed efforts? And, may be also, are we waiting for an opportunity tailor-made for us, or we are mentally empowered to face any of them?
  • Oct 12 2013: Sounds like a lowering of the bar to me...

    No one cares if you tried your hardest, or gave 100%. That's nonsense we tell school children to help with their self esteem. In the real world, the only thing of importance is results.
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      Oct 12 2013: I think many people do care if you tried your hardest or gave 100%.

      But I agree with you that "perfection" and "personal best," for example, are not synonyms.

      Everyone has a chance to strive for a "personal best."
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        Oct 13 2013: I agree with you. I personally think that yes, there are many people who do care if you're giving it your best, and not so much the result (although this also matters). I think this perception qualifies certain feelings and moderates the opinion that they are formed of one, because the difference in success or failure, not always in the results, but in the enthusiasm with which we tried to get them. We shouldn't forget that sometimes chance may prevent success, and if so, could we ignore the effort made by someone? It would be terribly unfair. On the other hand, succes got with a big dose of efforts, I think it's 'more' success.
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          Oct 13 2013: Yes, successfully doing your best may be quite different from constructing a successful product. When you choose a surgeon, you want someone who will do an excellent job on the procedure, based on expertise gained from training and experience. You do not want to choose someone without training and experience but who promises to do his best.

          On the other hand, many people will prefer a birthday cake made by the grandchild doing her best to one baked by the professional baker down the road.
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      Oct 12 2013: Sounds like a lowering of the bar to you? OK, lets get it up and see how you are doing in 'the real world'.

      Any Nobel price lately? Olympic Gold? Knighthood? Peace treaty? Man of the year?
      And what about the arts? Any top-selling novel? Top 10 charts? Worldwide art exhibitions?

      How many of those did you accomplish? Are you a looser now?

      I don't think so. So who sets your world 'reality'?

      And by the way, if you tell nonsense to anyone in order to build self-esteem, you may better remain silent in the future. Nonsense does not belong there!
      • Oct 13 2013: No such accomplishment I'm afraid, thank you for asking.
        So I don't call myself "perfect".

        "Perfect" is without flaw. "Trying your hardest" may or may not be sufficient for reaching your goals. One is a prerequisite for the other (and probably still won't be sufficient), but the two are by no means the same thing.

        If you aim for mediocre under pretense of "personal best", and hit your mark, then well, you've achieved your goal, but you're still mediocre.
        Nothing wrong with that per say, not everyone can be a genius. Just don't delude yourself into thinking you're something you're not. That's when people start feeling self entitled, and end up achieving even less.

        I personally always found the "tried my best" as more of a defensive response in case of failure. It holds up in a court of law just fine, and for good reason, but its not the same as success and shouldn't be confused with it.
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          Oct 13 2013: Let me quote your words: 'the only thing of importance is results'

          Notice, I didn't ask weather or not you call yourself 'perfect'. The only thing I did, was to rise 'the bar' to a level by which statistically I assumed you would not have archived any of it.

          Now, is your initial response 'defensive' by saying that you don't call yourself perfect?

          I think it is. It is the same 'excuse' in case of failure towards results, the 'only thing of importance' as you named it. And this excuse is even less ambitious than saying 'I tried my best'.

          Now, what are results? Are they absolute? Who comes to decide about its value, its ranking?

          If you cross the road to get a bread in the bakery on the other side, I assume, that your result in successfully crossing the road was nothing you even thought about. You just went.

          Now, what result would it be for a disabled, crippled person who needed all his energy to cross the very same road. Which world is real? Yours? His? Who comes to decide?

          Who comes to decide about mediocre? Statistics? Authority? Religion? You?

          If I take your definition 'perfect is without flaw' than my conclusion would be, that it does not apply to humans under any circumstances and regardless any results. We might find some of this perfection in mathematics, provided we get to understand it, yet anything else?

          Are geniuses any relevant benchmark or just statistical outliers? In statistics, the mediocre is what becomes even the frame of reference for any meaningful comparison.

          What Suhaila did, was to transfer her concept of perfection into a personal frame of reference, which to me is perfectly fine, as the very moment we use 'perfection' in a human context, this concept has no other choice but to be of relative quality, as neither its definition, nor its results are absolute definable.

          Your concerns about 'people ... feeling self entitled, and end up achieving even less' is rooted in a different agenda and mindset, which is self entitled itself.
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    Oct 16 2013: by the way, who created the word perfection anyway. and if as some claim that it is unaccomplishable then why is it there in our dictionary i mean. this shows that it can be reached depending on the aspect of your life on which you apply it
  • Oct 14 2013: in my opinion ...perfection is just a word for which everybody in this world is dying to listen from somebody else that i m perfect in this field. But in positive sense for perfection if you work hard just because you want to be perfect it's good because u will work hand till the end....because you will never ever will satisfied what have you done before and just for perfection you will work hard and hard .....because nobody knows what is perfect. So it is just a magical word if you take it in positive sense.
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    Oct 14 2013: i see peoples here talk about who believe in perfection like something is wrong with this person and i can conclude from it with all my respect to the perfection ,that you take the perfection of Lady Suhaila like an absolute perfection that she is wrong ,wonder why you forgot for all who is against the perfection ,why you haven't thought maybe the idea you have it's a perfect wrongness like an absolute? cause she asked about perfection with tolerance and love with her free will ,you replied to her with perfect intolerance and hate without your free will on it and you asking Her why lol ,we're in need to learn the conscious about our unconscious for we'll have Her opportunities i believe...maybe she had a dream ,isn't it a perfect state of being the perfection?even it's limiting with our weakness from the reality or maybe she felt in need to let us know the respect to ourselves by expressing our dreams is the feeling of the perfection not the thinking on it only...i think your perfect perception to the wrongness for Lady Suhaila ,it's the result of the IQ and the logic for a principal human did it has been longtime now for we can remembering it , did habits for protect it in the absolute truth and we forgot that we did and we allowed the intolerance to controling us...for it can will allow us to accepting the newest tolerance with biggest heart each for other not each against other we must agree about that the truth it's an absolute relativity...we can be sure about one thing if we will not win by our absolute weakness it will making us close to the strongness which mine the perfection...
  • Oct 13 2013: Suhaila,

    I think we are talking about 2 different uses of the word, perfection

    The first is when someone does something personal - i.e. a piece of art for the home. To the giver and the receiver it is perfect.

    The second is when something is judged. It may be perfect in the eyes of the individual who created but to the judges it may not be.
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    Oct 13 2013: Perfection is a "funny" thing because the more you aim for it the more elusive it seems. For instance, let's say you aim at doing your absolute best at something and you perfect it according to your standard but as soon as you have accomplished that it ceases to be a perfection and something else appears ahead that you have to aim for the very same perfection again. So perfection really is elusive and the reason why you aim for perfection is just for improvement purposes on your part not because you're really going to hit the target of perfection. Yes you can try to hit at your level best but you would realize that your best at that time was just the best at that level and not your overall best, so that tells you yes you can still do far more than that took you to achieve that "perfection,' so in that regard perfection really is what drives you to be your best every time you do something. In and of itself perfection is not a target that you can aim for and hit, it is the highest standard that you as an individual can get at that time, it doesn't mean that is THE final ultimate standard because there are those who can surpass your best standard.

    Perfection stretches your all abilities to be who you can be in the best way you possibly can. In this regard it is more of an illusion really because it keeps asking for more of you, as soon as you accomplish something, something more enticing is already ahead calling you and you aim at that again with the same agility and intent only to find once you accomplish that, another thing will come up again. So you can just see that perfection just stretches you on and on.

    We have all heard and perhaps believed in the "myth" that says: "practice makes perfect." Well it appears that is not true at all...practice according to the above analogy of perfection only makes improvement. Practicing something will make you better at it but not be perfect at it because there is always room for improvement for anyone and everyone. Nice chat
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    Oct 13 2013: I agree with you. I personally think that yes, there are many people who do care if you're giving it your best, and not so much the result (although this also matters). I think this perception qualifies certain feelings and moderates the opinion that they are formed of one, because the difference in success or failure, not always in the results, but in the enthusiasm with which we tried to get them. We shouldn't forget that sometimes chance may prevent success, and if so, could we ignore the effort made by someone? It would be terribly unfair. On the other hand, succes got with a big dose of efforts, I think it's 'more' success.
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    Oct 13 2013: "You're not perfect, sport, and let me save you the suspense: this girl you've met, she's not perfect either. But the question is whether or not you're perfect for each other."- Good Will Hunting

    I love that line about perfection.
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    Oct 13 2013: we're perfect with our weakness only in the universe of the perfection.
  • Oct 12 2013: Interesting I will contemplate this a bit before I comment more.
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    Oct 11 2013: Hello Suhaila,

    There is a verse in the Bible that states: "Be ye perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect". This is a mis-translation.
    It should read: "Be ye authentic as your Father in Heaven is authentic". This more correct translation is in tune with your idea heading of: "Perfection is not abstract". You are right; it is not abstract because it is about authenticity.

    And at any one moment in time in life one can act with perfect authenticity; even when one still has lots to learn on the journey towards a concept of more "objective perfection".
    When eventually after many lifetimes of learning in the earth-school I can act with authenticity in alignment with what and who I ultimately am, then I will have reached a more objective notion of perfection - a place where everybody else will eventually be as well. We will all converge at the place of Oneness and perfection.