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Can we have God in our lives without Religon?

Beleiving in God can be a very personal thing. Beleiving in Religon becomes a group behaviour. Religons at some level always get corrupted by Greed , Power etc. Yet humans always find a need for Religon and various religons have been around for centuries. More people have died in the name of religon than any other disease.

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    Oct 7 2013: I think one can have either, both or none.

    There are bad god-images and beliefs that lead to horrible actions. There can be beautiful god images that make a person kind or spur him to good actions.
    There can be religions that bring people together in peace and offer rituals of belonging to a group in harmony with the other groups in the world. As there can be religions that close upon themselves and bear hatred towards the out-group and engages their fanatics to commit horrible acts.

    And people can choose to belong to a religion or not (or should be free to do so), as should people be free to believe in these things that seem fit to him/her. (though, on a personal note, I always feel double when people believe things that are known to be false, and don't recommend education towards such things. Many -if not most- god-images and beliefs about them are in this category)
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    Oct 5 2013: Hi Deepac.
    I guess it depends on what one understands by "God".
    Christianity amounts to a personal relationship with the literal, historic, person of Jesus Christ. He claims to have created the universe, and conquered death.
    If you have that relationship, then you are a Christian, if not, not. People form committees & add bells & whistles, like with everything. That gives it the same religious "feel" as many other collections of bells & whistles. In essence all that's required is the relationship.
    So, if the real, literal, God is the God of the bible, then no "religion" is required. Jesus himself was no lover of "religion".
    If you have another "god", then the chances are, that religion will be a requirement.

    :-)
  • Oct 13 2013: Yes, absolutely. there are many prove of that.
    Yes, for people who can handle it.
    Other, you need religion to guide them. have moderate feasibility.
    Other, you need religion to tell them what to do, even think, act. etc. rule, law.

    More people have died in the name of religon than any other disease. what religions are talking about? Maybe very few religions. Most religions are peaceful. there are much more than 1000 of religions, more than 10,000 in history or more. only very very few are violent and kill in name of religion. most religion stop existing because, people convert them or worse. however there religions that do not convert people, or cause violent in it name of god, or religion. (only, most probably defense it idea when converting or worse ).

    There are religions than do not follow order from priest or religious people, they have no real power.
    Some religion do not have god or gods.
    some religions have gods.
    some religions have spirits or supernatural being.

    Mostly when talk about religion we thinking probably most 4, most people do not even know more than 10 religions. can you name 10 or religion without wiki, or google it? How of you know more than there own religion or believe? .. or how many of you actually even know there know religions?
    If study other religion or believe without judging them, we will be amaze. (from there perceptive). you will know the answer to your question.
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    Oct 10 2013: Deepak... when young, I could not make out difference between dharma and religion. Whomever I asked... was unaware of the answer! It was not dharma or religion I was after. I only wanted to reach God but was confused about following path of dharma or religion to reach God. It was only when I was about 15 years of age... I finally realized my folly! God Almighty could only be reached via path of spirituality... never religion or dharma!

    I minutely observed in the initial stages of life that most human beings world over had a tendency to pray or worship God. None wanted to reach God or know God in totality. The inherent fear of leaving family midway was concern of most. As my resolve to reach God in this very life was absolute... I successfully followed path of pure spirituality as detailed in sacred Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism and finally reached God in the wee hours of third of August 1993 at 37 years of age.

    In my spiritual travel I slowly realized... going to temples, churches or mosques carried no meaning! God Almighty existed within us in miniscule form as our soul atman, the spirit within! If I were to reach God in this very life, I had to reach, realize my true inner self... reach my soul atman, the spirit within! I also realized the difference between religion and spirituality. Religion primarily is the path to keep flock of human beings bonded together through moral and ethical values. In absence of religion... many human beings would go haywire!

    To reach God we had to take the inner journey, the journey towards our soul atman, the spirit within! All my life I have never been to a temple, church or mosque. When I was young... I accompanied my mother to temples! But, all queries within me remained unresolved until I started travelling spiritual path. More on religion and spirituality - http://www.bhagavadgitasummary.com/Geeta-Chapter-12/Gita-Chapter-12-Verse-2.html
  • Oct 7 2013: Hello Deepak,

    Yes, I do believe that people who believe in a God can have him in their lives without Religion. I believe they can have the personal relationship with him that you wrote of in your question.

    Possibly, many of the people who like to participate in public worship do so because they have a need to feel they belong and this is a natural way for people to feel. Others may be happy to keep their relationship with their God to themselves and that's ok, too.

    Leigh :)
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    Oct 7 2013: absolutely.God is and can remain in very fiber of your being. Organized religions are a community that can support your beliefs for the world will forever pock wholes in the existence of God.
  • Oct 6 2013: Only my $0.02. Believe nothing of what I say.....
    A God that is IN your life is a God with a boundary. A God with a boundary is No God but something lesser or illusory. God, then, is that which is both Everything and No Thing.....which includes YOU. All that is seen and experienced are just riffs & variations of Consciousness expressing. In your case, you are Consciousness which is becoming aware of what 'it' truly is. Savy? You ARE God. You cannot welcome yourself into your own life. You are the Very Water in which you swim. You simply need to remember what was forgotten. Don't rush it.
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      Oct 6 2013: Agreed. We are beings of consciousness who are slowly waking up to who, and what, we are.
  • Oct 6 2013: It sounds like you have faith in god but not people.

    If you look at the evolution of all the religions historically regardless of the beliefs themselves, it is still down to survival of the fittest. In order for an idea to survive, it still needs to have people pass it on. And thus the most efficient route is 1) get funded, 2) spread, and 3) be adaptable with the changing times. If you look at all the major religions, they're all good at one or more of the above. In trying achieve these self-strengthening goals, the idea/religion will find organising people in a structural way the most effective. And hence organised religion is formed. (Just like a criminal organisation is more efficient than a thug on the streets).

    I guess what i'm trying to say is, your point on religion getting corrupted by power, greed etc. is an inevitable consequence.

    Furthermore, your individual connection with god may be the best method, and maybe most people do connect with god that way, but because it is personal, you don't hear about it. People don't publisize it. So the ones you observe will be the larger religious groups. In other words, your observation would be a sampling bias, if you like.
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    Oct 6 2013: I'd like to say you could have your god and should respect other people's religions and gods. If you don't trust any existence of gods but act and live kindly like what the gods telling you to do, it's also accepted.
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      Oct 6 2013: I agree with you Yoka where you say "... act and live kindly like what the gods telling you to do ...".
      It reminds me of a saying attributed to Gandhi, which as far as I remember is: "Some people are so poor, God comes to them in the form of bread".
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        Oct 6 2013: Thank you~ Joshua!
        Thank you for your further explanation.:) They are the same in essence.
    • Oct 7 2013: Hello Yoka,

      This is a reply to your previous comment, but my computer is playing up and is placing the reply here.

      I also agree with you when you say "If you don't trust any existence of gods but act and live kindly like what the gods telling you to do, it's also accepted."

      I was brought up as a Roman Catholic, but now as an adult, I'm in the process of trying to work out what and or who I believe in.

      Two people (IRL - not on the internet) have made a comment to me in recent times, which has angered me.

      They have told me that unless I am acting and living kindly (in your words) in the name of Jesus, that I am not a good person.

      Whether I now believe in a God or not, I am still the same person - I don't suddenly change from a good to a bad person if I lose my belief in a God, but this is what they want me to believe. They feel this way about all people. To them, if you don't believe in God, you can never be a good person.

      If there is a God, then he (or she) will be the one to judge me.
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        Oct 7 2013: :) I'm glad to see your different clothes on TED. How many do you have?:)

        I can't agree with you more on your accurate description of the conflict in religions. I think those who force other people to change their beliefs are absolutely betrayers of all gods' spirits and intentions. Those people just want to take the advantage of their power in the name of so-called god to control people's mind. Those people are evils or monsters, they can incur people's hatred and revenge instead of the love from the god. And I strongly condemn some religions which always teach people to be pessimistic and give their lives up and to hate instead of love.
        • Oct 7 2013: Hi again Yoka,

          Thank you for your reply.

          I don't understand what you mean by "clothes"?

          Leigh :)
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        Oct 7 2013: :))))
        You changed your clothes as Leigh Pee instead of Joshua's, that's it~!
        Maybe I should have called it your sub-id? How do you call it in native English?
        • Oct 7 2013: I still don't understand :)

          I'm not Joshua - I'm Leigh Pee. We're two different people. I don't know Joshua.

          Leigh Pee :)
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        Oct 7 2013: "This is a reply to your previous comment, but my computer is playing up and is placing the reply here." I misunderstood it but I think your reply was located in the correct place.:)
        • Oct 7 2013: Oh! I understand what you mean, now! :)
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        Oct 7 2013: :)Thx
      • Oct 7 2013: Hi Leigh....

        May I just say that many times, people without tact, may say things with right motivation, that comes out all wrong.

        There are many wonderful people on this Earth. And the ultimate judge is God.
        To come out and tell someone they are no good because they do not believe in Jesus, is at best naïve.

        You cannot believe in something you know nothing about.

        As a Christian we have the privilege to invite people to study the Bible if they want to learn what it is all about.
        But, this is a personal choice. you can't ram faith down people's throat or give them an ultimatum.
        God doesn't work that way. People and religion might work that way.....but not God. At least not the God that I have come to know.

        There are wonderful principles inside the scriptures, that humans worldwide practice, whether or not they believe in the Bible as God's word.

        I see you as a kind individual. Do not let other's words take affect your view of God.
        This is just my humble opinion. I hope I have helped you in some small way. :) Mary
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        Oct 7 2013: Leigh,
        I agree with you and Yoka, that living life kindly is the most important thing. We are here....now....as humans.

        I was also born into a family practicing the catholic tradition, and questioned many of the teachings from the time I was a child. As a young adult, I abandoned that religion, because I perceived hypocrisy and so many contradictions. As an older adult, I researched, studied, and even practiced different religious and philosophical beliefs for about 20 years. At this time, with the information I have, I do not believe in a god, nor do I practice a religion. I respect those who choose to believe in a god, as long as that belief and/or practice does not adversely impact other people.

        I wholeheartedly agree with you Leigh...."Whether I now believe in a God or not, I am still the same person ...".

        Many people try to tell us that THEIR god, or THEIR religious beliefs are the one and only...we are going to hell if we do not believe as they do....we are not so good a person if we do not believe as they do...THEIR understanding of god is better than everyone else's understanding of god/no god.

        Each of us, as individuals, are thinking, feeling, intelligent human beings, with the ability to make our own decisions, and those who try to tell us that THEY are "right", seem insecure with their own beliefs, in my humble perception.
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    Oct 5 2013: Of course we can. We can have the idea of god idealized in service, in morality and in humanity - in any aspect of life to get inspired with. But it is a profoundly personal idea, a self talk and a spiritual way of making meaning of life by a person. Dr. Dawkins may call it delusion, but then a lot of human behavior is delusion including the idea of self, the denial of death and sacrifice for an ideal.
    This personal god has no commandments, no edicts and no emissaries other than one's own person. This god can be a friend, a mother, a lover or a stone, a figurine or simply a figure. As long as one is happy and content with it, there is absolutely no problem. Even if there are as many as 330 millions of them ! :)
    The only caveat is that my god is only as or no good as yours.
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    Oct 11 2013: FYI: from Wikipedia; Religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. Please note: Religion is not a belief in God, for example Buddhism believes god and after life is unknowable, and thus spending too much time thinking about it, is a waste of time. (To paraphrase.)

    Personally if someone lives virtuously for the sake of their religion; rather I believe it or not, I’m not going to discourage their belief in it.
  • Oct 10 2013: No,
    because there is no god without religion
    and only religion keeps the false alive
    with the tenacity of cancer cells that
    refuse to die.
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    Oct 9 2013: Human beings are spiritual beings. Those who know this control so much in the realm of the spirit.
    There is always a god in the life of a human being.

    But the question is: are you worshipping the true God? Or are you bound to false gods who can not save your soul?
    The worship of the only God, the maker of all things, is about a relationship. Spirit to spirit. It is not about religion.

    Religion tends to promote certain human ideas about God and man; but when it comes to true worship and the knowledge of the Most High God, human ideas count for nothing.

    This God is God, and can only be known by revelation, and worshiped on his own terms.
    May our hearts and eyes be open. Amen.
    • Oct 10 2013: Do you feel that there is only one true form of worshipping God?
      And 'revelation'......do you feel that people receive revelations today?
      Or do you believe that with scripture we have all we need to learn about the Creator.
      I hope you do not mind my questions Feyisayo. I am just curious.
      Thank you,
      Mary
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        Oct 10 2013: I believe in the God of the Bible. But the word of God is "Spirit and Life"; and "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit".
        God reveals himself to those who seek him wholeheartedly; if the eyes of understanding is not opened by the work of the Holy Spirit, and if the human spirit is not ressurected to recieve from God, such person would just read the bible and remain blind.
        • Oct 10 2013: Some might consider your reply a non-answer. Most of what you have stated is in harmony with scriptural principles. I was hoping to receive a direct reply to my two questions. Never-the-less I respect that you opted for discreetness instead.
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    Oct 7 2013: Religion is guide for us to know more about God and what His will for us. Religion is one way for us to interact with other fellow believer which makes our faith grow more. Religion unite us in praising and worshiping our God together. However, Religion itself sometimes derived us from our original purpose why we are in a certain religion. Sometime people become so committed in their religion rather than being more committed to God. People are more into following religious practices and tradition rather than knowing the core value of God's Word which are more important. People should ask themselves who are they worshiping, Is it God or Is it their Religion?

    In regard with your questions "Can we have God in our lives without Religion?" My answer would be YES. God is omnipresent why imprisoned Him in a certain religion specially religions or denomination claiming only those who are member of their religion can go to heaven. Religion cannot save us only God can save us. What is far more important is our relationship with God. What is the point of religion if you don't have a personal relationship with God? but I don't want to depreciate the value of religion because I know Religion is essential for our spiritual growth. Spiritual warfare is not easy. Walking alone will be hard. There is strength in numbers.

    Ecclesiastes 4:9-12
    New International Version (NIV)
    9 Two are better than one,
    because they have a good return for their labor:
    10 If either of them falls down,
    one can help the other up.
    But pity anyone who falls
    and has no one to help them up.
    11 Also, if two lie down together, they will keep warm.
    But how can one keep warm alone?
    12 Though one may be overpowered,
    two can defend themselves.
    A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.
  • Oct 7 2013: perhaps I was misinformed and will accept your statement about disease.
    . nevertheless, do you think my statement holds true if we look at the last 50 years?
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      Oct 7 2013: Deepak,
      This looks like a response to Don? If you reply directly to his comment, he will get a notice of your reply. See the little red "reply" in the upper right corner of his comment? Try it:>:>)

      Welcome to TED conversations:>)
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    Oct 7 2013: “More people have died in the name of religion than any other disease.”
    That is a LIE!!!!!! And you know it, so stop!
    The black plague killed 75 to 200 million people, and in the name of no one religion has come close to that. And if your saying in the name of ALL religions, then you also have to count deaths by ALL diseases.
    If you want to have a civil conversation, drop the lying.
    • Oct 7 2013: perhaps I was misinformed and will accept your statement about disease.
      . nevertheless, do you think my statement holds true if we look at the last 50 years?
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        Oct 7 2013: I'll just let WHO's numbers speak for themselves.

        http://www.who.int/features/factfiles/malaria/en/index.html

        P.S. Hi Mary,

        I have had them done at a local physic fair; I have had about 8 done in as many years, and yes the colors do change and reflects what is happening in my life. For example; I have MS and a few years ago I started a new medication, fixing my diet, exercising, and getting better, and my aura was mainly green and that is a healing color.
        My profile pic has much more white then it ever had, that could be because I have found spiritual balance (White being a blend of all the colors) or maybe my ancestors took me up on request for them to join me in the photo. Personally I’m open to all possibilities, for I have seen too much to dismiss such things.

        Scientifically speaking aura or Kirlian photography captures the electrical coronal discharges. (AKA Gas discharges) with emotions and health effecting the chemicals in your body and thus chemical make-up of the gas the body releases, I fail to see how it could be dismissed as faked.
        • Oct 8 2013: Don, I'm going to slip in here and ask you........your avatar done with aura photography...really neat.....when I access your profile, it's kind of dizzying to stare at it.
          Have the colors changed as you take more and more pictures of yourself? Just curious, I had never heard of this type of photography before.
          Mary. :)
    • Oct 9 2013: Oh, I'm so glad I clicked back on the conversation, or I would have missed your reply as a P.S.

      Thank you so much for that explanation Don.
      I have never seen anyone do this kind of photography.
      I will have to look into it when I get the chance. Sounds really interesting.

      I would imagine that the pictures were taken under the same conditions year after year....in a climate controlled setting? Otherwise the actual temperature of the surroundings would affect the picture? Or am I mistaken?

      Thanks, Mary
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    Oct 7 2013: Deepak very Good Question!! I believe God is Trust, Hope. and one should not be departed with it.
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    Oct 7 2013: God is just DOG looking in the mirror.

    Religion is 'group think' defining views differently than others, as Krishnamurti points out very clearly.

    Spirituality grows out of reverence grounded in Nature. Western Religion is rarely spiritual as it's essence is grounded in domination and control with a view that heaven is in the clouds allowing the trashing of Earth to continue unencumbered.

    God, Dog and religion will not save us, only reverence can. Although there is little evidence we are smart enough to understand the difference.
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    Oct 7 2013: Maybe we can if we meditate and think of the creation logically.
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    Oct 7 2013: No ! No one can have the GOD. GOD is having every one instead... :)

    "There are no facts, only interpretations." ~Friedrich Nietzsche

    And the fact is "No body knows what GOD is !!" But surprisingly, every body claims this. All religions are just different Interpretations of that one FACT (THE GOD).

    Deepak , your question reminds me a little fish who asks a question to its father, 'What is Ocean dad? How to know it? how it looks like? how to attain it? There are so many path (religions), what to follow? Father Fish simply smiles and says - 'Every path is within the ocean my dear little baby. Every path start in there and ends right in there within the Ocean. Either you may follow any one of it, or you may deny all o them. You are always in the Ocean" :)

    I recommend you Deepak, to not to use word 'Believe' or 'Belief' as for as GOD is concern. These words generates the idea of Disbelief too. Believing in GOD without knowing it is the reason of so many different Religions. I my opinion *Faith* is proper word, faith must be there instead of belief system. Faith is a desire to know what cannot be known, belief is a desire to ignore what can be known. Faith leads to truth, belief misleads; it's delusional.

    Knowing is the true path, true religion. Religions have been made for those little fish those think the Ocean can be known only by doing something. But all path must be let go by the passenger at the end of journey or he may not reach to the destination. Religioner is one who have been fallen in love with the PATH itself, he believes only his path is the right to the destination. I feel sorry for those poor little fishes....

    Finally, No religion leads us to the GOD as they are merely pathways, but those pathways are necessary for those passengers those thinks they have to travel to reach the destination... :)
  • Oct 7 2013: Religion was created because to develop some discipline . Since we evolved, religion defined some set of practices and helped people to follow them and lead healthy and sound minds. God is some sort of virtual character created to make people believe that there is something controlling which has the powers to punish when we go beyond these rules framed in the religion.

    God, is the belief alone. if you believe a pen or flower to be God, yeah it is a god and it can give you whatever you want. Religion is some set of rules framed to help you grow your belief in believing the belief and hope
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    Oct 7 2013: That'e the way every religion started........it's fine until and unless it becomes threat to others....
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    Oct 7 2013: everyone's free to choose his God ,it can be for example his body ,mind ,power ,money...and the religion it will be the logic.
    • Oct 7 2013: I subscribe to the point of view that God is an undeniable fact to which people can choose how or even if they will acknowledge God. That is different from choosing your God. It also means that God is independent from your ideas about It.
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        Oct 7 2013: every religion has God and all religions belong to my God by intolerance.
        every religion has God and every God Has religion by tolerance.
  • Oct 6 2013: God gives its religion to a people for those people. When someone else adopts or is obliged to a faith not their own you get this question and these answers.
  • Oct 6 2013: Yes but God may not have a name because religions gave him a name. There is no need for one of course but people feel more comfortable with one. One thing people have to realise is that God is not to be found at church but rather to be seen, heard and sensed everywhere at any time.
  • Oct 6 2013: If you are a bit of a gnostic how can you get him out of your life?
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    Oct 6 2013: If you believe in God, then God is in your life whether you have religion or not. Therefore religion is not necessary for belief in, or living with, God.
  • Oct 6 2013: deepak

    Try having an accident and either injuring yourself or some one else.
    The first words, and thoughts, "Oh god, why me?"
    Having a God or multiple Gods gives anyone a solid Wall to lean upon.

    Religions are man made. Started by Leaders who are fixated on
    peoples problems with solutions they believe will work with faith*.
    People are easily swayed (consider politics) and follow as sheep.
    They enjoy telling their problems to others and getting absolution.

    *Faith is a belief in something that cannot be changed by contrary evidence.

    In world history, there are recorded 11,000+ Wars, and 11,000+ Religions.
    Probably all financed (both Warring sides) by the same Banking Cartels.

    I don't think of Religion as a disease. But after Politics, it could be.
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    Oct 6 2013: Which God do you mean? There are plenty!
  • Oct 5 2013: Deepak,
    I agree with you on the fervor in the formal religions, Because of the concept of "my religion worships the true god(s) than yours", it led to more deaths for wars between opposing religions than other reasons.
    A person could have a belief about morality, human compassion or civic duties with or without a religion. That's really what matters in the peace with the other people and with himself.
    The reason that people constantly try to imagine a super being is because there were so much unknown truth for our environment so that we wanted "some one to protect us", thus an image was born from our imagination, which I wouldn't call it a delusion,but rather it was an image made from one's mind.
    In my opinion, we could have a "God" which should be constructed based on the logical definition from the most advanced knowledge we have up to this day. It is best to leave it as a personal thing, instead basing on the imagination of somebody else in the past.
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    Oct 5 2013: Absolutely yes. It is the very best way to enjoy communion with God. Religion is a human construct susceptible to the whims and imaginings of 7-billion different people. Knowing God and enjoying him forever is the chief end of Man. Religion plays no part in that.
  • Oct 5 2013: I've personally never felt much of a need for either, but I've known plenty of people whom were wanting for one while in abundance of the other.

    Spirituality and organized religion are by no means joined at the hip. Both can be utilized independently, or together.
    Or not at all, if you'd prefer. Atheists tend to act just like everyone else after all (minus the religious rituals), so I rather doubt its just religion keeping us all in line.
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    Oct 5 2013: Hello Deepak,
    Certainly you can have God in your life without religion; that is an exercise of your free will to live with spirituality as a priority in your life. If you make that choice by the way, it helps to have a spiritual discipline that energizes you.
    Be careful though that you don't turn it into a religion-for-one, and thereby lose your power and ability to be surprised.