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Teachers should get tough.

In the recent WSJ Saturday Essay Joanne Lipman broaches a controversial idea for improving public education. To prompt you to read her essay here are her talking points: 1) A little pain is good for you. 2) Drill baby, drill. 3)Failure is an option. 4) Strict is better than nice. 5) Creativity can be learned. 6) Grit trumps talent. 7) Praise makes you weak. 8) Stress makes you strong.


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  • Oct 1 2013: People like this quack fail to realise that different methods work for different people. This kind of report appeals to peoples frustrations and leads to a mob mentality that usually makes things worse.
    Having said that, I haven't read the article yet. But your discription of it rubbed me the wrong way. Here is how it went for me:
    1. "A little pain is good for." I wonder if that one holds up in court.
    2. "Drill baby, drill". Get the hell out of my face.
    3. "Failure is an option". Tell that to my boss.
    4. "Strict is better than nice". What an a.. hole.
    5. "Creativity can be learned". Straight from the mouth of advertisers and marketers.
    6. "Praise makes you weak". No wonder she is is so cold, noone gave her any praise.
    7. "Stress makes you strong". If this were the case, I would have shown the strength to ignore this report.
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      Oct 1 2013: How can you comment without reading the article first?
      • Oct 1 2013: I was commenting on Edward Longs' description of the article. And if I understand correctly, the premise of the article is to be less nice to people. I don't need or want to read that.
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          Oct 1 2013: Craig......do read the article.
          I think you will enjoy it.
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      Oct 1 2013: Have a go at reading the essay. I predict your response will be different afterwards. Please don't judge the author by my synopsis.
      • Oct 2 2013: I've read the article and it's interesting. I was being a little melodramatic earlier, but was also trying to be comical.
        I have a couple of thoughts regarding the article. There is mention of US students falling behind the rest of the world. Finland in recent years have performed particularly well. They have a very liberal educational system which is very effective and does not rely on the harsh methods described in the article.
        I'm not saying that these methods aren't effective, they obviously are, what I'm saying is that much more humane methods have been proven to work.
        Having said that, i don't see anything wrong if students choose to push themselves to reach their full potential using these methods. It's all about choice.
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          Oct 2 2013: I find it interesting that you get "harsh" and "inhumane" from the article. I also disagree that students should be responsible for their own motivation to perform. It may be about choice now, I don't know. But what I do know is it should be about performing at or above prescribed standards, or failing to advance. Thanks craig.

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