Morris Bates

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What if...reincarnation is possible.

If reincarnation was proven as a fact, how many lives have, or can we, live? We don't know who have our past lives been or how can we discover them, so what measures could we take? Who knows who our past lives could have been and the process of discovering how they are all connected, if they even are. The types of science that could result from such a discovery can be innumerable, but what kinds of science would develop?

This is a fictitious idea, but please keep an open mind and responses in-depth and interesting.

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    Sep 26 2013: If it was proven as a fact there would be information about it. It would no longer be ficticious. We would take what has been proven to be true and base further studies and experiments upon those facts in order to further our knowledge. Eventually someone would exploit it for profit and find a military application for it. Sound familiar?
    • Sep 28 2013: Over a billion people believe it, it hast to be wrong.
      • Sep 28 2013: Over a billion people believe in Christianity, another billion in Islam, a similar number in Hinduism, another fair number is atheist, and more still believe in all manner of different and often contradictory religions. Some of the different sects of each religion even contradict its other sects concerning certain matters both mundane and fundamental.

        They can't possibly all be right.
        • Sep 28 2013: The topic is reincarnation at the moment, religion is whole other story and a no-win battle I prefer not to get involved with, but I believe your last line is perfectly logical.
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    Sep 28 2013: my faith taught me that i am eternal by my soul ,i can't prove it like truth and i can't change it for almost nothing is true.
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    Oct 8 2013: Morris,
    I'm wondering.....what if...reincarnation IS possible? Would it change the way you live your life here and now? For me, it does not change how I live the human life experience, because I am>)

    I believe in a form of reincarnation, and it does not "look" like what many people describe. I believe that the energy that flows through our body when we are living, is recycled, over and over again. That energy can be considered the collective energy or universal energy, and it may carry information from another time. I also believe what is called instinct and intuition is connected with the collective/universal energy. Well, I believe EVERYTHING is interconnected with energy:>)

    There is a little research on this topic....whether or not one is willing and able to accept that information, and recognize it as valid "research" is another story. I don't think it is a "fictitious" idea to some people. Here is one link:>)

    There is also quite a bit of research regarding Near Death Experiences (NDE), which is very common, and has been recorded for a very long time. I experienced a NDE, and with that event, perceived myself as simply energy. I saw the body, which was close to death clinically, on the bed in ICU, the energy felt almost disconnected from the body, and very connected with everything else. The body, appeared to me, to be a vehicle, which carried me through this life adventure.
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    Sep 28 2013: I think it's a very interesting topic. And I have thought of it many times.
    I guess according to my assumed reincarnation, I will possibly have three kinds of new lives.

    1. Plants. I'd like to be a tree very much(I always say that). In that case I can always see the world changing and watch human beings' performances from generation to generation with a low-profile.

    2. Animals. I think I have eaten a lot of pork ,beef ,and other meat in my life. To some extent,I'm involved in killing other lives. So if I am unfortunately reincarnated to these animals, I think it's also reasonable and acceptable. I hope I could die without much pain and continue to be reincarnated.

    3.Human. I'd like to be a kind and happy person.I hope I could be born in a scientist's family because I'm not very good at science this life. :)

    Thank you.
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    Sep 27 2013: Hello Morris,
    If you see yourself as an eternal spirit being, that an incarnation is just another semester in the Earth-school, that one can incarnate in other dimensions to grow in consciousness in different ways, and that life is an eternal adventure in learning and growing and experiencing ever-deeper truths - how does that sound?
    In this scenario, in your current incarnation you are free to explore life in the knowledge that you can never really "get it wrong", and that you can do much to speed up your own evolution of consciousness. Your mind-body connection is the teaching feed-back loop on how you are doing. No gurus, no religion, but just some people who are a few steps ahead of you to help you on The Way.
    Set this as a kind of framework for your life, and - ... the possibility of re-incarnation does not need to be proven; but you can have the benefits anyway.
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    Sep 27 2013: All unsolved homicides will be solved and all killers will be prosecuted. Perhaps nobody will kill.
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    Sep 27 2013: Morris,your question begin with"What if..."

    I personally think that live 1 time is perfect.How can you realize the importance of everything if you never have the chance to lose it?The time cherished,the love shared,the glory manifested...these things look even more precious since life is limited rather than forever.
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    Oct 9 2013: Reincarnation, rebirth was an absolute fact of life as per Hinduism, oldest and foremost of all religions existing on mother earth. As per BhagavadGita of Hinduism... evolution was inherent in all living beings. Life in cosmic system evolved in stages. All life on mother earth initially started journey as an amoeba... single cell formation (first manifestation in cosmic life cycle). It further evolved into multi-cell formation... then insect life, plant life, animal life and finally form of human beings!

    A senior professor of Delhi University, India recently confirmed to me that they had absolute evidence that life on mother earth initially started as an amoeba! We human beings passed through different phases of insect, plant and animal life... totaling 7.3 million manifestations on the whole! In human form we had 1.1 million manifestations to reach stage of enlightenment (kaivalya jnana in Hinduism). In absence of doctrine of reincarnation, rebirth... life simply could not move ahead in cosmos. All would become stagnant... decay and die!

    As detailed in Bhagavad Gita... we were primarily a spirit, a soul atman that in its lifetime manifested 8.4 million different life forms to cleanse itself of dross impurities within. Human form is the highest manifest stage on planet Earth. It was only in human form one finally reached stage of enlightenment and salvation moksha. To become a Mahavira, Gautama Buddha, Jesus Christ or prophet Mohammed... one had to undertake spiritual journey. Becoming an enlightened one was not that easy.

    Indulgence in past life was meaningless. What if we came to know that our best friend in present life would be cause of our death in present manifestation! As our best friend in present life succumbed to death at our hand in last manifestation, law of karma demands that to nullify ills of last life, our death at his hands was inevitable! More on reincarnation -
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    Oct 2 2013: This story really struck me. Here's an excerpt.

    You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
    “Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
    I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
    “You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
    “No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
    “Just me? What about everyone else?”
    “There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
    You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
    “All you. Different incarnations of you.”
    “Wait. I’m everyone!?”
    “Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
    “I’m every human being who ever lived?”
    “Or who will ever live, yes.”
    “I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
    “And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
    “I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
    “And you’re the millions he killed.”
    “I’m Jesus?”
    “And you’re everyone who followed him.”
    You fell silent.
    “Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
  • Oct 1 2013: large group of people believe reincarnation is possible, what different it make to world same or little different.
    You are thinking reincarnation is not possible and think what if reincarnation is possible.
    Think reincarnation is possible. so same or little different.
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    Sep 30 2013: No one can completely remember what is his past life This happens to facilitate certain encounters with our contemporaries of the past. If you hurt someone and need to redeem yourself (Karma), it is better for both not reminder exactly the fact.
    Anyway your spirit (or your soul) retains the memory and feel the remnants of that passage, in some cases this is one reason why we sympathize with someone or not with other right at first glance.

    We will reincarnate many times. The purpose of so many lives is to learn, evolve and acquire skills that do not have yet (like the unconditional love and forgiveness). When you already acquire those skill your reincarnation will end.

    According to Albert Einstein, "Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another" Hence our life is also may be one kind of energy and it keep transferring from one form to another and our life is also might be conserved. However I am not a believer of reincarnation if ever reincarnation will be proven as a fact and we can remember our past life and what happened to us before then it would be a great help to know more about our history.
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    Sep 29 2013: Knowing nothing about the religions that accept reincarnation, I looked this up. If I understand correctly the short synopsis I read of Hindu belief in this area, there is no limit to the number of lives one could live within that belief system. In fiction, though, you can assume whatever you like!

    We have several TED talks, including the recent presentation by Elizabeth Loftus, about how inaccurate and imprecise our memories are even of events in our lifetimes and how suggestion can place in our brains false memories. It would be reasonable to suggest, then, that if there were past lives, techniques that rely on recall from memory would yield very unreliable information about those identities and times.

    Taking your fictional scenario further to assume that one could identify the series of past lives- animal, plant, or object an individual lived, researchers would probably take interest in investigating whether characteristics of ones earlier identities or lives explain or predict later lives or whether the sequence, rather, appears randomly generated based on examinations of correlations in samples of large size.

    Of course if the researcher could access your past lives through you, he may also be interested in inquiring with you about some nagging historical questions.

    Are you writing a novel for which such hypotheticals can be useful?
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    Sep 29 2013: I've found another interesting news about reincarnation. It's said the 11-year-old American boy James remembers his former life as a renowned pilot in the US Air Force in the Word War 2. It's also said his story is going to be adopted by the Hollywood to make a movie.

    Sorry,I intented to add the link of the news onto here, but I failed many times.
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    Sep 29 2013: I still think there's always something current science can't explain. I've seen a report that people now have found the color of death is blue, so maybe in the future they can find out what happens to people's soul after their death. Maybe something similar to reincarnation.
  • Sep 29 2013: Life is similar to school. Most of what you learned the year before is forgotten after the temporary return to Wholeness/Summer Break. If YOU were made COMPLETELY Whole, would you not forget all that pulled on you in life? Would you not naturally forget all that kept you from being free. Would you not feel "Aaaaaaaahhhhhh, I feel so free I've forgotten all knowledge and merged into the Universe?"

    For the sake of God :-) inject doubt into your existing beliefs. All of them. If they are true, they will hold steady like a mountain.
  • Sep 28 2013: If it was proven true, it would have profound impact on human society, religion and behavior.

    The same thing could be said for a wide variety of other unprovables however. What if I could prove there is a god? What if I could prove there isn't one? What if I could prove that the whole world is really located inside a giant invisible tea pot?

    You can go on and on, but unless you have actual scientific evidence, its nothing but speculation. Might be handy if you enjoy a moral debate, or are looking to write a piece of fiction, but other than that...
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    Sep 28 2013: Well God do not want us to remember of our past, so as an energy we come up in different form and by chance in same form to balance.
  • Sep 28 2013: For a billion or so people it is a part of there religion. There is a lot of positive evidence suggesting it is real for some people. I read the evidence over forty years ago when I was a hypnotherapist and encountered people who appeared to regress back into a prior lifetime. There are thousands of documented cases using hypnotism however the most compelling studies were done by Ian Stevenson with children fully awake. He has impeccable credentials and did 3,000 case studies covering a 40 year period. You may want to listen to this video:

    For myself it was a long time ago and the real question to me is what difference does it make? I do not believe we come into this world carrying any baggage like Karma from a past life but that's just an opinion, I don't know. The next time I am talking with God, if the subject comes up I will ask her.
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      Sep 28 2013: I m just curious to know, why hv you mentioned The GOD as 'her', in last word of last line ?
      • Sep 28 2013: Did you think about it? That is why. The question is what did you think?
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          Sep 29 2013: No, i didn't think anything,, most often ppl consider him (The GOD) by male gender, but u said 'her'.. that surprised me !
      • Sep 30 2013: I guess it was a Freudian slip. Sometimes I let my logic get the best of me. Most of my early life I was taught as you suggest but even simple logic would suggest otherwise. Most of the species I can think of were given birth by a female so why wouldn't the mother of all things also be a female? I believe a teachers goal should be to teach his students how to find answers, not to give them answers. However sometime I tell them an answer and ask them to find the question.
        "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"- Chinese Proverb
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          Sep 30 2013: I'm so glad you are well-informed of our Proberbs. :)))))
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          Sep 30 2013: Hmmmm.... Nice logical approach to justify your answer Keith. You seems a good student, who have found the answer as 'female' when others are stuck to 'male'.... But dont u know, as soon as the idea of the mother comes in, the idea of father also comes along.... one can not think a virgin mother... it would be illogical, Right Keith ! That is why we people call the Nature as a mother of all species and The GOD as a father.

          One can not think (even logically) beyond the limit of imagination, others think about male and you think female .. both are known to human (within imagination).... :)
      • Sep 30 2013: "I know that I know nothing"- Socrates
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    Sep 27 2013: Morris, what is reincarnation to you?
    Coming back again and again as human.........or coming back as different things?
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      Sep 28 2013: We really have an empathy,sister.:)
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        Sep 28 2013: Hi Yoka........You thought of the same question?
        Many people have differing ideas of what reincarnation really I asked.
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          Sep 29 2013: Morning, Mary, .... When I wanted to reply if I was reincarnated what I'd like to be , I saw your question. "Coming back again and again as human.........or coming back as different things?". I also thought of being reincarnated to different things. So.......
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        Sep 29 2013: Morning what?

        What would you come back as.....a better person? A man or a woman?
        An animal.......which one?
        An inanimate object?
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          Sep 30 2013: So I said we had an empathy between each other. :)
          Please read my other comment here ,sister. You'll know what I'd imagine myself being in my next life.
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    Sep 27 2013: What did they change the rules?
    • Sep 28 2013: "Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something"-Thomas A. Edison
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    Sep 26 2013: If it would be possible, then there should be information transfer between the old and the new life-form.
    You could start to scan (willing) dying people during death to see if there is a signal in the heat-loss or something.
    Also (sligtly easier), during conception (in vitro would seem best), one could try and see how that signal enters the fertilized cell and how it is stored in a the cell. I assume there is a point of data-entry. If you then kill the cells, it should then leave again... (what happens when you split the embryo in multiplets? is it then reincarnated in more than one life form?
    (You don't need to use human cells I guess?)
    If you fail to find signals to and from a dying life form, then it is probably very unlikely, but then again, I don't think the research has been done.

    Anyway: I think it is very unlikely, but there are ways to falsify the hypothesis that come from the assumption of reincarnation.
    • Sep 28 2013: Christophe I do not have enough proof to be positive one way or the other but there is a huge amount of data out there if it really makes a difference to you. From my limited exposure this is what I surmise is the way it works. Souls are eternal like matter, they cannot be destroyed, they have always existed and will always exist. We chose to come to earth but do not get to chose our body or when we will get that chance. If we have been here before that information comes with our soul which may explain why some of us have inherent talents and unexplainable memories. It would also explain how some people know so much about someone that has lived before and can explain not only how they think but experiences in the other persons life without any prior known knowledge of that person. There is no transfer of knowledge, the knowledge was already there in the soul and goes where ever the soul goes. They were the other person and now they are someone else with a little extra knowledge. I do not think people die and then come right back to earth but I could be wrong. The reason I think that is because the person before has sometimes been dead for centuries. I think I am in deep enough for now so I’ll shut up.
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        Sep 30 2013: I completely reject the idea of such a soul.
        I would like to have at least one peer-reviewed scientific report that supports such a claim.
        If such a soul would exist, it should be observe-able through some kind of measurement (size of the soul, content of it,...) If not, then it could not interfere with our neurons.

        As for memory... I suggest you dig into Elisabeth's Loftus research (there appeared a talk by her last week). Memory can be very deceiving and unreliable. Plus we are quite good at making up stories.
        • Sep 30 2013: Christophe I love your logical mind and thoroughly enjoy our chats. We are talking about something very hard to prove like a black hole, faith, God or even our the purpose of our own existence. Why are we here? What came first the chicken or the egg? How far is up? How does "entanglement" work? Woman? These are all things that boggle men's minds and may be there only purpose is to bring us together to talk and ponder. I will do some more study on the evidence of the soul and get back with you later.
          "Memory can be very deceiving and unreliable" Let's reword that so it is accurate.
          "The mind can be very deceiving and unreliable", memory is neither one, memory is constant and totally accurate.
          As far as Elisabeth Loftus is concerned I believe the results she is reporting are accurate assessments of how the mind works and plays games. The functions of memory are a simple small part of the mind and unlike what she claims no part of memory is ever erased, that much I can guarantee and prove. However that does not stop the mind from playing games, it loves games, it loves entertainment, it loves exercise, it loves stimuli.
          If I ask you do you like sex? Do you think your mind goes to a specific place and looks for an answer, yes or no? Of course not, it goes nuts because the question is all over the memory and as it searches for an answer, millions of possibilities are stimulated and it may take you several minutes to come back with an answer that is the summation of it's discoveries. The amazing thing is if I ask you the same question tomorrow you could quite possibly give me a different answer.
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        Oct 7 2013: Keith,
        I'll just give some answers to your rhetorical questions, as that will reveal something of our differences in thought.

        Why are we here?
        the assumption of a purpose (as to "why") is hidden in this question. In my opinion, there is no purpose, which makes this question void.

        What came first the chicken or the egg?
        The Egg, as there were birds laying eggs before there was a chicken. The first chicken (if you wish to make a clear-cut distinction in evolution) hatched out of an egg.

        How far is up?
        Is as bad a question as 'how green is wednesday happy?'

        How does "entanglement" work?
        I don't know, but I bet quantum-physicists can give you an explanation that would at least shed some light on it.

        Yes, mind-boggling, I cannot but agree to that one ;-)

        If I ask you do you like sex?
        Mostly yes.

        Do you think your mind goes to a specific place and looks for an answer, yes or no?
        Your question is double: No, "your mind" does not go anywhere. But in order to respond to a question, the right parts need to be activated: so my emotional memory of past sex is stored (though not in one single place, but several places), needs to be activated (i.e. the neurons must fire). Hence I'll be conscious of some memories and able to reply to it.
        I would like to point out that human memory (and probably all other animals memory) is not safely stored and constant, but effectively under constant change: each time you evoke a memory, it becomes activated and can thus be influenced. As such, we can alter our memories or even convince ourselves or remembering something that we didn't experience in real life.

        As for the mind: I would consider the mind as something formed by an active, living brain. I would deline it as the conscious part (things that come to mind are conscious). Which would relate it heavily to "attention". One likely hypothesis is that it is the feedbackloops of activity that form the gestalt that we call our mind.
        • Oct 7 2013: Well we do think differently Christophe and I would not have it any other way. Imagine how boring the world would be if there was only one kind of flower, tree or animal. If everybody thought like me, there would no longer be a need for me, or for anybody else that thought like me. The beauty of our planet is in the diversity. I am sure you are not the only one with questions about how the mind works so I am working on a deeper explanation that I will publish in a few months including the workings of the soul, at least the parts I can release that are not classified.
          Quantum physics does have an explanation for "Entanglement", they don't know how it works but they can prove that it does and they can prove that it works at least 10,000 times faster than the speed of light and they suspect that it works instantly. Sort of like the sort program I wrote over forty years ago, instant (No cpu cycles). I had a gaggle of professors at Stanford trying to get me to explain how it works to no avail, it's classified, not by the government by me.
          You may have heard already about a new generation of computers called quantum computers that will be millions of times faster than the supercomputers we have today. They have built quantum computers already and after they have evolved for another twenty years they will be ready for computers built on Entanglement theory.
          Entanglement is as close to God as science will ever get.
          By the way, where did the egg come from?
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        Oct 8 2013: Thanks for your insights Keith.

        I would like to know more about your program you wrote... seems very interesting.

        I do hope e eventually develop quantum computers. And I do think that we can develop an AI that will be better than any human mind, (good, beautiful, true) that might get closer to what many people think is god... in that case we'll be the ones creating something that is close to a god (in a literal sense). But maybe we don't want that, and be free of it anyway (as we are now)

        The egg evolved. You can look at fish or earlier life forms and trace back to the earliest forms of eggs. I suppose you'll find it is an environment where cells can divide in a space protected from external -destructive- sources
        • Oct 8 2013: There are several commercial quantum computers already operating, of course the government got the first ones and now Google and Apple have purchases them along with other major corporations. So far they are not like an all purpose computers, they are custom built with a specific purpose in mind although they do come with application software which allows they to be programmed to some degree. If you are interested look up D-Wave they are the furthest along in the technology.
          What peaks my interest is Entanglement theories. The first thing they will use it for is communications, try to imagine communicate over any distance "instantly", now that is an idea worth sharing! Once they get that process down it is only a matter of time before they figure out how to transport matter any distance "instantly". Imagine how the universe will shrink once we learn how to go from one end of the universe to the other and beyond instantly or better yet be in both places at the same time. This is one of my websites but it needs a lot of work as you will see: