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    Sep 22 2013: An idea, is simply an idea (a plan, thought, conception, image)....neutral in my perception. It is how the idea is played out that determines how useful it is....or not.
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    Sep 21 2013: Ideas do not belong to us.

    They build themselves within the world they made through us.

    If they are "great"?

    To themselves they are nothing special - to us, they precipitate phase change that surprises us profoundly.

    We talk as if we own intellect .. we call it "intellectual property"
    But in reality - ideas own us.

    The building process of idea-upon-idea is simply a process of what is now is determined by what went before. The ground that falls under-foot.

    We mysticize this, but there is no magic. It is dirt-simple.

    Yes, we celebrate "geniuses" that have the phase-changing ground to put the phase-changing foot upon. But you will notice that all "great" inventions are found by several people at the same time.
    It is not us - it is what flows through us.

    Is it great?

    Only to us. It is no more special than dirt.


    To us - only when we are not prepared to phase-change.

    Comfort is not our friend. Take it at need, but no more than that.
  • Sep 20 2013: Great ideas will always lead to change, and change is always bad for at least some sections of the populace that have learned to take advantage of the existing condition (potentially on the backs of others). This is why you will always have resistance for even the best of ideas that benefit almost everyone.

    Calling great ideas "always dangerous" seems like a gross oversimplification though.
    I suppose they're always dangerous for someone, but then, what isn't?
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    Sep 22 2013: an idea is like air to a fall.
    until it goes through your head
    it is nothing at all.

    thought is just a chemical peel.

    ideas need action as much as action needs ideas.
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    Sep 22 2013: Consider the idea of a "horseless carriage" ...
    At first it becomes a whacky invention (a steam-car) with not much practical use.
    Then with the invention of the internal combustion engine it becomes a practical reality, but initially only as a status symbol for the very wealthy.
    Then with Henry Ford it becomes a widespread reality as an aspiration for the masses.
    Then it catalyses two new mega-industries, the oil industry for fuel supply with chains of petrol-stations across the country, and the road-building industry.
    Then it becomes a legal reality with laws to govern the safety of cars, both how manufactured & driven.
    Then it becomes a political reality as an industry to be protected from too many foreign imports.
    Then it becomes an ecological reality as a pollutant that needs controlling
    Then ...
    Great ideas (if not deliberately suppressed, which some are) tend to grow in unexpected ways - we are never sure where they may lead.
    Of course not all great ideas are about technological inventions; the great idea of "Love you neighbour as part of yourself" has its own ongoing history.
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    Sep 22 2013: HI Smith, I don't have a terminology to call this kind of fear, but however I might equate it to fear of change, we fear what's new and we fear of losing the old. Strong minded people(if I could call them that way) have a very good adaptability in the transition of the old and the new. Ideas when suggested fearful people always explores the idea to the negative side of it. Smith this is a very debateble topic, I might even think of put a few pages of it in my small pocket book of ideas am writing. If you we wish can co-write on it.. Hahahaa.
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    Sep 22 2013: Great ideas always are shaped in changing something, or creating something, be a tool or ways of using a tool, be laws or how to deal with law breakers all in all great ideas have a big significant impact, and people normally take them as dangerous because in one way or the other they will change their normal operations,thinking or even relations..So i don't think they are dangerous but rather terrifying to society. Imagine having an idea that in times of unemployment rates all govt jobs were to be done in shifts, having two ministers sort of, were one works from 8am to 12pm, then another comes for the afternoon shift . this would look like an idea for job sharing, but it will look dangerous (or rather given an identity of dangerous ) by those who are already in office scared to share the pay cheque but would it sound dangerous to the unemployed? not all.
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      Sep 22 2013: Hi Blaise,

      Do you think that it is fear between old and new ideas?

      That sounds right to me.

      What kind of fear is this?

      I am old - I have tasted many flavours of fear.

      Old men are full of questions - no answers.
  • Sep 22 2013: It depends upon in whose mind the idea is.Whether it is in the mind of a civilized person or in the mind of a terrorist Ideas are like fire. Fire can be used to cook food , and the same fire can burn the whole city,country.
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    Sep 22 2013: Depends on the intention or how they are used. The wheel, destruction for selfishness or transportation for good means?
  • Sep 22 2013: Yes, if it is not dangerous, it is in no way great.
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    Sep 22 2013: I think pillows are great ideas ... so far, so soft ... ;o)
    • Sep 22 2013: Though they can kill you just as quickly as you can relax into one...
  • Sep 21 2013: Great ideas - no, spreading and/or actions on a great idea are dangerous due to change.
  • Sep 21 2013: if its dangerous it cant be great Idea
    SIMPLE :) No, they are not dangerous
  • Sep 21 2013: All these philosophical aproaches :D Nice work, just putting a question gives big response.

    I have one too: Why don't people change the way they think ?

    Remember George Orwells 1984; Doublethink; doing somethong with knowing that it is wrong
  • Sep 21 2013: According to my opinion, Ideas goes to one's thought. It's upto oneself in which direction oneself is making and in which direction others are taking. Ideas are 'dangreous' if taken in a alarmed manner and could be great if taken in a confident manner.
  • Sep 21 2013: Well whether you like it or not, without Karl marx many human beings today would not have health care, nor even be alive in capitalist states like Europe and canada.

    So dangerous ideas are necessary even if they offend the predatory, violent and backward half of mankind. Historically speaking, they've been right wing. Right now our big problem is not ideology, it's human stupidity.

    Any system you can invent won't matter if the people are not intelligent, responsible and moral forms of life. Too many human beings are self destructive, whether they be capitalists, or any other political persuasion. Our negative biological characteristics distort our ability to behave and function intelligently in the universe and until we use science to figure out what is wrong with us, we'll continue to believe gullibly that our bodies and minds work properly enough to make intelligent decisions.

    Right now we basically have minds and bodies that are at their limits.
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    Sep 21 2013: I think if you use "great" the idea should be good. Evil people may make some ideas into dangerous but not always, we have had so many inventions that have made our life better and better.
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    Sep 20 2013: Why do you think them dangerous?
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    Sep 20 2013: No.
    • Sep 21 2013: Can you give me an example of an idea that's not dangerous?
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        Sep 21 2013: The word "always" in the original question is iffy. Certainly, many great ideas have been dangerous to certain segments - often power segments - of society. But can we prove "always"? I don't think so.

        But as I searched for an example of a non-dangerous great idea, Isaac Newton's new ideas about the laws of motion came to mind. These explained much that was unexplainable before, and they made sense to most people. But then he expanded them in the Principia, where he showed that these laws required a solar system with the sun at the (approximate) center. The Catholic church had not yet come to grips with the proofs of a heliocentric solar system from a hundred years earlier, so they were indeed threatened by Newton's ideas. (At the time you still bet your life if you opposed the Catholic church.)

        We may not be able to prove that great ideas "always" are dangerous, but most of the time they probably are.
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          Sep 21 2013: Balance the federal budget in the USA. World peace. Eliminate hunger;corruption;greed; injustice; war; and evil.
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        Sep 22 2013: "Love your neighbour as part of yourself" is not a dangerous idea with respect to ultimate truth, but it might be considered a dangerous idea to those whose power-position in the world is derived from the idea "divide and rule".
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      Sep 22 2013: "Balance the federal budget in the USA. World peace. Eliminate hunger;corruption;greed; injustice; war; and evil."

      Balance the federal budget in the US? Why not just do away with the whole monetary system? The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over. Over decades the budget goes up, down, up, down, up, rock bottom (depression/recession), up (booming). The whole US is on bipolar medications! Not me, eff that. Wow, how ironic, eh? lol
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        Sep 22 2013: I guess I am guilty of using the phrase "balance the budget" when I should say "pay-off all debt and do not accrue any more, ever!" In reality that might require replacing the money, I am not sure. Anyway, I don't think it is a dangerous idea, and I am sure it is a great idea.
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          Sep 22 2013: Not calling ya out for an incorrect phrase, Ed. Does it cause anyone to suffer in a way they could do more for society but are competed with on an individual level, starve more, or more people without shelter? If it does then it's not a good idea. How can we pay off all debt without causing suffering in the world in extreme ways? I'd say let them have it and create a new system.
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        Sep 22 2013: RE: "Not calling ya out. . . ". I know you want to scrap the current system, but how about an all-out effort to restore it to what it once was before giving up? No need to cause more suffering (for Americans). Rather reduce suffering by taking hundreds of billions from foreign aid and use it to get every able-bodied person back to work with a job and a home. We can still help those WHO CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES, but for the freeloaders it's back to work. We are off-topic.
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          Sep 23 2013: Hey Ed, come look at what happened to the topic of this conversation.
          Notice anything different?
  • Sep 20 2013: Danger is subjective to how an idea is used. For example, water is a life giving substance, and in many cases is a symbol of life (walking through the desert and coming across a oasis containing a waterfall). However, drowning is very scary thought and every year takes the lives of a number of people (drowning in a flood). Dangerous is defined as "able or likely to cause harm or injury". All things all dangerous in a sense; a surgeons knife used in open heart surgery to save a patient can be used to murder someone, or life-saving antibiotic can be overdosed on.

    So, to answer your question, as a person who likes to logically see both sides of an argument, I believe great ideas are always dangerous but at the same time a always helpful. Great ideas live in a constant state of being spliced down the middle. Take democracy for example; although a revolutionary idea (by the standard of human history) it opens up an area to a whole range of problems. Take the United States for example: how can the country continue to pay for education for all its public schools, health care, welfare, decaying infrastructure and public transportation without rising more and more into debt and not raising taxes? Now don't misconstrue that last statement: Would I gladly take those problems over a dictatorship or totalitarian government every time? YES. Ideas inspire action, but for one idea there may be a thousand resulting actions.

    As with almost any deep philosophical question that's poised to one man or another, the answer usually revolves somewhere in the vicinity of "It depends". "Right" and "Wrong" are hazardous words to use because they imply absolute and total certainty. Something you might think is certain can be suddenly disproved. For example, until the scientist Barry Marshall (look him up) came along, the entire world was convinced stress caused ulcers, when in reality is was the bacterium Helicobacter pylori.

    Any questions?