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    Sep 21 2013: To build a "truly just" city solve the problem of denser population equating to higher crime rates. http://law.jrank.org/pages/2222/Urban-Crime-Are-crime-rates-higher-in-urban-areas.html
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      Sep 21 2013: Edward, you need to move beyond simple correlation if you want to solve the crime problem. There is extremely high variation between cities of similar size and, similarly, very high variation across rural areas. In fact, because of their small populations many rural areas have the very highest crime rates (usually measured as the number of crimes per 100,000 people).

      Let's look at the cities with dense populations and low crime rates to get a clue about how to solve this challenge. How about some help from others out there?
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        Sep 21 2013: Do you have a particular reference you can easily link here that displays such variation among urban areas of similar size? Such a reference might help people here hypothesize about what the differences are among the cities that might account for the difference in crime rate.

        Here is a Wikipedia link, for example, fro the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
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        Sep 21 2013: Do you dispute the data on the link? Statistical outliers (cities with dense populations and low crime rates) do not form the true picture of the way things are. The crime RATE is higher in urban areas than in rural areas. Simple correlation is a valid tool. So far you have said there will be zero poulation growth in rural areas between now and the year 2050, and, in addition, you seem to be saying crime RATES are not higher in urban areas than in rural areas. Both of those rather contrary assertions demand confirmation.
        • Sep 21 2013: There can be higher crime rates in certain kinds of housing projects, such that you add up these projects, you get greater density and greater crime. Yet, you can change the design of housing servcies, promote policies that favor economic equality, change the configuration of high versus low housing, and change the logic. It is important to avoid reductionism.

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