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I suspect that entropy is susceptible to recursive deconstruction.

If disorder were susceptible to recursive deconstruction could there truly be any randomness in the system?

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  • Sep 18 2013: There is no true randomness.
    Instead, you have systems so mind bogglingly impossible to measure, that all you can do is make some statistics and hope for the best. Good luck tracking every single molecule of air in a room for example.

    Thankfully, the rule of large numbers usually means those statistics turn out rather well. We call it randomness, but in truth, we simply can't measure it.
  • Sep 19 2013: My understanding of entropy is that it is the tendency of all things to achieve equilibrium.....i.e., maximum disorder. Yet, our world is an ordered state. I interpret the co-existence of these facts (entropy and the existence of order) to mean that all phenomena are constantly 'ebbing and flowing' into one state or another. If this is what you mean by 'recursive deconstruction' then, sure, entropy may be reversed....it happens every day.

    In answer to your question about randomness, I would argue that it is precisely what prevents entropy from being a one-way street. How else could a state of perfect equilibrium be upset?
  • Sep 24 2013: Hmm...so the though is that something tending towards a more random state is driven by the tendency, and that as the tendency for disorder reduces or breaks down, the result my be returning to some naturally occurring order?

    "The entropy of an isolated system never decreases, because isolated systems spontaneously evolve towards thermodynamic equilibrium, which is the state of maximum entropy." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy)

    I think the tendency for disorder might be driven by the state properties and conditions of the environment of concern. I think also that for entropy to mean much, you need to think about it in terms of some defined process, system, or event. Conceptualizing entropy in general seems hard to fathom, unless you want to count the universe expanding or something similar.

    Measuring the quality of randomness seems like quite a challenge. An ordered tendency to randomness would imply a smaller rate of change of entropy than a disordered tendency to randomness. I think a reduction in the rate of change in entropy might be an indicator that you were approaching some naturally occurring condition, process or event.

    So I think the answer to 'If disorder were susceptible to recursive deconstruction could there truly be any randomness in the system?' is 'yes', as the criteria 'any' means that only one aspect need not be susceptible to recursive deconstructive. This would require there be more than one aspect of the system that could be subject to disorder, and that they were not completely controlled the same way by state properties and environmental conditions.
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    Sep 18 2013: Stated in High School English what is "recursive deconstruction"?
    • Sep 19 2013: To my thinking, recursive deconstruction is just the inverse of any recursive element/process.
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        Sep 19 2013: Stated in High School English what is "The inverse of any recursive element/process."
  • Sep 18 2013: But the trend is to greater entropy.