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Theodore Holden

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An rigorous case can be made for the proposition that modern humans cannot be native to this planet.

Hominid eye sockets and nasal areas were much larger than those of modern humans. The huge eyes of hominids and dinosaurs and even a few leftover creatures like lemurs and tarsiers, were adaptations to a very dark sort of a world. In the case of dinosaurs, the large eyes pertained in carnivores and herbivores alike

Humans by way of contrast have the smallest relative eye size of advanced creatures.

If you want to believe that humans evolved from hominids on this planet, you need to believe that some hominid/human-wannabee:

Lost his fur coat while ice ages were going on.
Lost 99% of his sense of smell while trying to make it as a land prey animal
Lost almost all of his night vision at a time when night was the only time of day to be had.

You say that doesn't sound like a formula for success?

If, on the other hand, you prefer to believe that God created modern man fully formed on this world, then there is a question as to whether God would create a creature on a world for which the creature was spectacularly ill-adapted. There's nothing in the Bible about God being stupid....

There actually is a reasonable thesis to be had for human origins, but it does not involve this planet.


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  • Sep 7 2013: In the long history of the debate of where we come from, I tend to take one side of the debate. I am here now and that is more important than where I came from a long time ago.

    Those smarter than I am can debate this issue until they are blue in the face. As for me, I have greater issues to ponder. But yes, on occasion I do wonder if we came from some place other-worldly.
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      Sep 8 2013: Your outlook is understandable. You would need to be certain that we're not headed anywhere though. Millions think we are eternal in some form or another, if they're right then you may have a problem.

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        Sep 8 2013: Peter,
        Why do we "need to be certain that we're not headed anywhere"? Based on your many comments, it seems that believing in an eternal life, changes your perception and experience of the life adventure here and now. Why do you say that one who does not believe in some kind of eternal life may "have a problem"?

        In another comment thread Peter, you wrote:
        Peter Law
        21 hours ago: "I agree Scott. Truth is all around us, we get blinded to it by our own perceptions"

        Do you ever think that predicting a "problem" for people who do not believe as you do, may be your own perception?
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          Sep 9 2013: Hi Colleen.
          My comment count is 2400, yours is 8300. So I must assume that you believe it is good to comment. My beliefs have remained fairly constant, as have yours.
          My perception is indeed just my perception, as is yours. Many agree with yours, many agree with mine. Isn't that what TED is all about; an exchange of ideas ?
          So, again, my perception is that there is a storm coming. Sure, I may be wrong, but nevertheless I believe the reasonable thing is to warn people. Then it is up to the individual to decide what, if anything, to do with the information.
          The problem only arises IF My perception is correct. Your perception may be the correct one, if so then there is no problem, there's not much to hope for in the long run either.

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        Sep 9 2013: Peter,
        This discussion topic is..."An rigorous case can be made for the proposition that modern humans cannot be native to this planet."

        I agree with you, in that you have indeed been consistent....good point. My point, is that I do not believe those of us who do not share your beliefs have a "problem", as you suggest in your previous comment, and in most of your other consistent comments.
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      Sep 8 2013: I feel the same way Everett....I am here, now, and that is what I focus on. Speculation about where I came from is always fun, and it's also good to consider the evidence we have at this time.....here and now:>)

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