Fionn tolster


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Re-creation versus extended variety.

So this is a question just to get a general view of the communities opinions on the topic of whether the educational system as it is now needs to be;
1)completely remade and redone to incorporate gaming,music etc. into it,or whether;
2) it simply needs to be more personal,more diverse and consequentially more interesting.
I was just curious to see everyones views on the topics and reasonings for their views so..................

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    Apr 13 2011: Even from a young age, I knew public education was archaic. Sit still, listen to textbook read out loud, copy this down, work this problem (answer pg. 23) and pass-this-test-it-counts-as-half-of-your-grade speeches. In what way is it structured to learn or prove anything?

    I definitely believe our schools need to be more personal, not just dictated learning. Teachers need smaller classes in addition to teacher aids to see that ever pupil gets the individual help they may need. That in turn can mean better communication between teachers and parent, with better parent involvement in their own kids education. We definitely need to capture their attention. Even adults learn more when they are interested in the subject matter. Curriculums need less structure and more open ended exploratory and exemplary instruction; Give the kids a chance to get immersed and ask their own questions. Let them physically see and touch something, choose the problem and they will be more apt to understand it and know it. Instead of focusing on their final grade, the focus should be on their comprehension and process (or creativity) they used to complete their projects. Learning NEEDS to be fun, children are structured to learn through play. With the wealth of information at our fingertips, why are we still confined to outdated books? Life skills as well as traditional and non-traditional academics should be taught. What ever happened to home economics?
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    Apr 13 2011: Education should be more useful and relevant than what students could learn on their own with Internet access. Otherwise, the system lacks legitimacy.

    The world is changing so quickly, deciding what to teach beyond reading, writing, and arithmetic, (and even excessively complicated computational arithmetic is being questioned):... difficult.

    Uniform standards for subjects would be useful, but I question whether "school" in the traditional sense is necessary. I'm surprised no young people have made the "modern education is unconstitutional" argument. The due process clause has been interpreted by the US Supreme Court as saying that if the government deprives you of a fundamental liberty, then it must give you a compelling reason for depriving you of that liberty. The more fundamental that liberty, the more compelling the reason the government needs to give in order to deprive you of it.

    If there is a less intrusive alternative that achieves the same legitimate objectives, that's what the government has to do.

    If I were advocating for kids, I'd say "years of life completing irrelevant busywork" is a pretty severe deprivation (of life, liberty, and arguably property), given that people with Internet access can educate themselves (arguably better and faster) without coercion. Busywork not only contributes nothing to society, it deprives students of the opportunity to spend their time as they wish.

    Cheap, readily available licensing and uniform, demonstrably achievable expectations would alleviate some of those concerns. In other words, people should be able to "test out" of any class if they can meet some clearly defined goal. Otherwise, it's just a prison and/or waste of time.

    Beyond the 3R's we would do much better for kids if we gave them adequate nutrition (Jamie Oliver), Internet access, and achievable goals.
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    Apr 13 2011: While schools are directed by a ministry or government department, 'school' will always be a hybrid beast between learning and administration.

    The issue I have (in NZ schools) is the 'blanket' approach to assessment that the bureaucrats insist on (to make their own job easier, I suspect).

    Currently, our ministry of education is trying to assess a wide variety of learners on their 'progress' measured against a nation-wide 'standard' through the application of generic assessment tools.

    None of this is geared towards the "individualised and personalised learning" that the rest of the system is aiming for.

    The current ministry approach to assessment smacks of tradition for the sake of it and judging by my past experiences with government departments, will be extremely slow in changing and catching up.
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    Apr 13 2011: removing tenure would help a lot! just from personal experience in the public education world