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C.C.S.S.-- Yea or Nay?

Common Core State Standards is a big-time effort currently under way to make necessary changes in America's public schools to better prepare graduates for employment.
On this specific issue we the people are either ignorant, apathetic, for it, or against it. Those last two groups can help the first two by expressing their reasons for their positions. Let it rip TEDsters!


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The vote is: Yeas 0, Nays 11. The Nays have it. It is seen by the respondents to be just another expression of opinion about WHAT needs to be done without a plan for HOW to get it done. It is seen as a power grab by the Feds which leaves the states with little or no say in how schools are run. It is seen as an effort to promote certain career paths while inhibiting others. It is seen as a death warrant for all non-STEM programs. It is thought to be off-target in the definition and utilization of Testing. Tedsters who do not like CCSS spoke up. TEDsters who like it kept quiet. Thanks to all for many experience-based opinions worth sharing.--Edward

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    Aug 13 2013: Ok I will fire the opening salvo.

    IMO the first thing to be determined is what is a purpose or goal of the institution?

    The second thing to be determined is the metric for such goal.
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      Aug 13 2013: We are long past the initial research phase of this program. It is planned, funded, staffed, organized, field training is in-place, and our public classrooms are filled with youths who are, as we speak,being better prepared to meet the needs of the employer of tomorrow. I trust the various state governors did establish the purpose and goal of the effort at the outset. As for the metric, let's hope some erudite TEDster will enlighten us. For now, Pat, you are numbered among the "Yea" group.
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        Aug 13 2013: Au Contraire, my premise would be that the goal should be aimed at value. Value is something that changes constantly with the zeitgeist. By definition when you say the goal has long since been set means that that goal/purpose may not be relevant.

        Obviously technology is constantly changing therefore the goals should be as well. Value is also different from one person to the next therefore much subject to change.

        Metrics are tricky and should be used with the greatest of common sense. But the best one that any organization complies with is the free market or it will wither away.

        Schools that teach typing are dated, schools that do not teach how to budget or about credit are dated, schools that do not teach logic or critical thinking are dated, schools that do not teach manners are dated, schools that do not teach learning how to learn are dated, schools that do not teach conceptual thinking are dated, schools that teach memorization are dated, schools that do not teach application are dated, schools that graduate students that do not apply are dated, schools that do not teach the difference between ethics and morals are dated, schools that don't teach the discipline or ability to face or deal with the subject at hand (a high wire school that does not teach facing or confronting heights) are dated, etc etc

        On second thought change dated to irrelevant..
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          Aug 13 2013: CCSS is being carried-out in schools across the nation. Whether the design will yield "value" or not is TBD. So you are in the "Nay" camp then? In terms of public school Education CCSS is the zeitgeist!
        • Aug 14 2013: Hi Dear Pat...I am in your side.
          By the way,Dear edward...which side are you in?
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          Aug 14 2013: @ edulover learner: I am just beginning to learn about it all so my opinion is not based upon a fully informed understanding. I have seen enough to sign-up for the NAY team strictly on the basis of the program being an important loss of state's rights which is another example of America's transition away from the 10th amendment of the Constitution. ("“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”). I DO NOT want my state to run schools the same way Gov. Brown runs California's!
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        Aug 14 2013: I guess if it were up to me I would privatize .all public education and eradicate any federal involvement in education. This is not possible but the voucher system would be a compromise.

        I question that the CCSS is the zeitgeist, as it is lousy with politicians and government employees?

        I don't think I'm entirely ignorant nor apathetic and since the CCSS does not align itself with my previous statement put me down as a NAY.
      • Aug 17 2013: Ed,
        I discussed one of the CC teaching material in math as included below. It was one of my TED Discussion earlier this year.
        "First, let me explain what actually complicated the matter in the method in the "Common Core Standards" about the equation of 1/2 X 1/3 = 1/6. In their explanation they said the solution of 1/6 happens to be equal to the area of the product of the 2 fractions; 1/2 and 1/3. . But that's completely math computation which is very difficult for the children to relate to. They could use the physical demo by showing the cut up of a 1ft by 1ft square piece by first cutting it to 2 pieces of 6"x12", then cut each of them in 3 ways to get pieces of 4'x6', so that each sub-piece will amount to 24 sq inches to show that it would be equal to 1/6 of the total area of the 1 ft x 1ft (12" x 12" = 144") board. One may ask why should we do these measurement steps? But if you don't approach it in this way then what would this approach be any different than the pie-slices approach anyway.
        Now if you take this so-called "truth" method, it involves a stringent requirement that all the cutting measures have to be very precise. Because if not, the end "product" won't be equal to 24 sq inches exactly However, in the pie slices method, you may not realize it, the measurement process doesn't have to be precise to show the result, any roughly close measurement will suffice, and the latter method is much easier to understand visually and tangibly by the children/students as well. So why should we spend lot of time and effort to make all these measurements that really doesn't appease to intuition of the children."
        My conclusion was that those "authors" from the ivory towers probably have no idea how the average children are learning math to establish the foundation for studying science and technology in their later life.. For practical counting in life such as miles per gallon or 15 minutes to exercise, you don't need or want 100% accuracy!
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          Aug 20 2013: Sorry Bart, your comments are not easily digested so it took me a while. I think you are expressing the idea Fritzie quoted above that theories about the What are plentiful, but viable ideas about the How are scarce. I think the soup is spoiled because we have too many cooks, especially cooks who have never really cooked anything!

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