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C.C.S.S.-- Yea or Nay?

Common Core State Standards is a big-time effort currently under way to make necessary changes in America's public schools to better prepare graduates for employment.
On this specific issue we the people are either ignorant, apathetic, for it, or against it. Those last two groups can help the first two by expressing their reasons for their positions. Let it rip TEDsters!


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The vote is: Yeas 0, Nays 11. The Nays have it. It is seen by the respondents to be just another expression of opinion about WHAT needs to be done without a plan for HOW to get it done. It is seen as a power grab by the Feds which leaves the states with little or no say in how schools are run. It is seen as an effort to promote certain career paths while inhibiting others. It is seen as a death warrant for all non-STEM programs. It is thought to be off-target in the definition and utilization of Testing. Tedsters who do not like CCSS spoke up. TEDsters who like it kept quiet. Thanks to all for many experience-based opinions worth sharing.--Edward

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  • Aug 14 2013: I believe Thomas Jefferson stated the goal of public education was to create a literate electorate

    1. i am for standards but basic standards - after that it should be up to the student to decide his/her direction
    2. i think ccss is going to far and trying to push students to attend college in math and science when college may not be right for their career goals. I am Nay to CCSS.

    Side note: Fritzie - when I was teaching Calculus - gave my freshman a quick quiz at the start of the semester, multiple choice 2 examples of the questions were 1/2 + 1/3 and 2+3*4 - 20% got most of the questions wrong. One student showed me a cheap calculator that gave 20(which is wrong) as the answer for 2+3*4.
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      Aug 15 2013: Two more reasons for revisiting/revising/recalling CCSS: it dictates career choices; it emphasizes certain (STEM) disciplines and ignores others. Thank you Wayne.
    • Aug 15 2013: Was Thomas Jefferson speaking to the whole of the "public" or just those who had money and who were able to attend school?

      Also, the education level at the time was far below the level we now see demanded to be successful.
      • Aug 15 2013: Thomas Jefferson was talking to the whole public and the establishment of local schools controlled and paid for by the local people, not by the Federal or State government.

        and I beg to differ, I would bet that many high school graduates could not pass a 6th grade exam from the 19th or early 20th century.

        But my point was college is not for everyone and let them choose their path. A colleague of mine in GB was Director of Research at Cranfield Institute (now Cranfield University) His two sons decided not to go to University but became apprentices, one at Roll Royce and the other Jaguar at age 16. They may or may not go to university but will have careers as mechanics and machinists.

        CCSS is heavily aimed at pushing people into science and engineering and going to college. Is that right? I personally do not think that is right.
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        Aug 16 2013: As a retired Design Engineer I can attest to the fact that today's graduate engineer will struggle to pass the Draftsman's Exam from the 1950's. A high school graduate today would have no chance of passing the 50's Draftsman's Exam! America has been systematically dumbed-down since the 1960's. You will be hard-pressed to substantiate your assertion that the Jeffersonian age education was "far below" today's standard. Today's college graduate will struggle to read the 8th grade level McGuffey Reader from early America.

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