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C.C.S.S.-- Yea or Nay?

Common Core State Standards is a big-time effort currently under way to make necessary changes in America's public schools to better prepare graduates for employment.
On this specific issue we the people are either ignorant, apathetic, for it, or against it. Those last two groups can help the first two by expressing their reasons for their positions. Let it rip TEDsters!


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The vote is: Yeas 0, Nays 11. The Nays have it. It is seen by the respondents to be just another expression of opinion about WHAT needs to be done without a plan for HOW to get it done. It is seen as a power grab by the Feds which leaves the states with little or no say in how schools are run. It is seen as an effort to promote certain career paths while inhibiting others. It is seen as a death warrant for all non-STEM programs. It is thought to be off-target in the definition and utilization of Testing. Tedsters who do not like CCSS spoke up. TEDsters who like it kept quiet. Thanks to all for many experience-based opinions worth sharing.--Edward

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    Aug 14 2013: Edward, I worked with a committee this summer to incorporate CCSS and STEM into the syllabus. As a general overview we must understand the following:

    Common Core State Standards: Arne Duncan want the States to be on the same page. If you transferred from any state to another you would have the ability to pick up at the new school who would be lock step with your old school. It is essentially a federal top-down" takeover of state and local education systems. Opponents aver that states should not relinquish control of education to the federal government, neither should they cede it to the consensus of other states. This also came with the mandate that teachers should be held accountable. Therefore, as of this year the bulk of teachers evaluations will be based on the students test grades.

    STEM: The term is typically used in addressing education policy and curriculum choices in schools from kindergarten through college to improve the nation's competitiveness in technology development. STEM is an acronym for the fields of study in the categories of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

    All three of these are being pushed by Secretary of Education Arne Duncan in a effort to socialize education. He sponsors the idea that the Federal Government should write and grade all tests, develop all syllabi, thus being the sole agent in the education process. He used the PISA Exams as the driving force to show that CCSS and STEM were the solution to the USA extremely poor showing scoring in the bottom third of the bottom third. His "suggestions" carry the weight of federal funding. Blackmail is a wonderful tool.

    There is good and bad associated with this mandate ... Leveling the playing field is good ... loss of state rights is bad. Due to funding many electives (arts and trades) may be eliminated ... bad. Mandates without funding is always bad.

    Out of space. Hope this helps. Wish you well. Bob.
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      Aug 14 2013: Man do you have the right surname! Robert you are obviously an educator who knows how to. . . educate!! This comment you shared is the kind of info I know TEDsters are privileged to have and are willing to share. Bravo Robert!
    • Aug 14 2013: how does CCSS violate state rights?
      • Aug 14 2013: Because that constitutionally K-12 education is the sole responsibility of the states. Now, the federal government is forcing the teaching of the CCSS on the states to adopt the system in the condition that if the states refuse to do it they will lose certain funds which are usually from the general tax revenue which should be fairly distributed to the states without this discrimination anyway.
        • Aug 14 2013: bart
          thx for the explanation - I assume you mean that this is based on the 10th Amendment.

          1. It is not clear because the Amendment says the responsibility resides with the state or the people. Some have stated it is States have usurped the power of the people/parents - and usually the Supreme Court has agreed with the parents. (meyer vs Nebraska, Farrington vs Tokushige, Pierce vs Society of Sisters, etc. ) dating back to the early 19th century to the 20th century.
          2. If the states fail in education, in the past the Federal Government has become involved under the General Welfare portion of the Constitution - 14th Amendment, Brown vs the Board of Education are just a few examples.
          3. It would be an interesting court case to see if CCSS falls under the 10th Amendment or under the General Welfare.
      • Aug 16 2013: I am quoting the 10th amendment here:

        'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

        i interpret the word "people" as the people within the state. Therefore as long as the state government policy or the state legislature act violates the equal rights (the 14th Amendment), then the federal government is prohibited from inference to the state's policy. In the CCSS case, the states haven't done anything to discriminate any student education in the course content against any particular group. Furthermore, even if the feds found some course materials are discriminatory, they could always point these out for the states to revise them. However the CCSS is going to replace ALL THE MATERIALS including the STEM, etc. which by any imagination we can't say they are discriminatory against,or violating the equal rights of, individual citizens, Furthermore, some discussion on the case study of the 14th Amendment, the courts usually didn't include many groups such as students who are slow learners, etc, as the protected group under the 14th Amendment.
        It perhaps is all right if the Department of Education suggested to the states to voluntarily use the CCSS, but IT BECOMES COERCION OR DISCRIMINATORY BY USING FEDERAL FUNDING TO REWARD ONLY THE STATES WHO AGREE TO IT.
        • Aug 16 2013: Lets agree to disagree -the term people means to me the individuals and I would say that the Supreme Court over the years has agreed that the individual has the right over the State government.

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