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Robert Winner

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Are rules made to be broken

Why should rules made. To some it is a challenge to find the back door of a program and demonstrate their expertise. To others it is just a dare. We talked in class and passed notes ... if caught we got detention. Yet we still did it.

When I say rules ... I do not mean laws.

Have you ever broken a rule .... why .... would you do it again?

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    Aug 22 2013: Hi Robert. Good conversation. I notice it got quiet a week ago and has remained so. Can I hijack it in an effort to start a new debate while the Moderators are on vacation and we are not allowed to start anything without their curatorial oversight. I am benignly curious to see if it can be done without them, like an underground thing. The idea is to communicate a new topic to the participants in this post and they spread the word like a virus throughout the TED Conversation community and we learn how to start clandestine debates! If you do not wish to risk it I will find another post. What do you say? EDIT: Oh crap! I just noticed Whiskey Delta made some comments 2 hours ago. Sorry I thought the topic was dormant. Never mind Robert.
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      Aug 23 2013: Edward I like the concept. Lets do it. The conversation is pretty much dormant. Give me a subject you would like to introduce and we will edit and give it a shot.

      Thanks. Bob.
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        Aug 23 2013: Well Bob, as you can see for yourself Fritzie dropped a couple of common sense bombs on my idea. But, then again, I still wonder if we could pull-off a kind of segue-on-steroids and start a whole new debate by parasitically attaching to a Host Post... nice ring to it huh? We can call this experiment Project Remora. If caught we will be banned from TED, and possibly the Internet, forever for subversive actions contrary to good order and discipline. Ms. Reisner is culpable because she is aware of the plot, so we can control her by simple extortion, right? I doubt she will rat us out. So, a subject. How about: "Are rules made to be broken?".
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          Aug 23 2013: Oh, Edward. Your little project is pretty obviously not the sort of thing anyone would be banned for.

          My only hope is that others don't follow with less savory experiments.

          The real test is how the community behaves and the productivity of exchanges without the expectation of staff moderation.
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          Aug 26 2013: Edward, now who is the scamp?

          My my my my, funny thing is, I was thinking, if I had been smart, I could have started a conversation before the team went on vacation, then come back and changed to topic by editing it.....or else sell my conversation to a high roller who needed a conversation fix hahahahaha..........hmmm......I'm thinking of next year, when the team goes away again, we will all be better prepared to handle this whole situation, don't you think?

          I can't believe it took me a whole three days to find your shenanegans......better late than never............and in a conversation about breaking the rules.........I don't know what to think. LOL

          To flag, or not to flag? hmm let me think...........
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          Aug 26 2013: tsk tsk tsk....... us poor souls with good intentions are always being misunderstood.

          I think that you and Robert are way up there on my favorite TED member's list.

          Here.....enjoy:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I-RFIAHrRs
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        Aug 26 2013: Robert, Robert, Robert.......have you no shame?

        Ha Ha Ha........

        So, did you change the conversation topic?
        What was it before?


        [EDIT......never mind, I just realized by reading the bottom comments that this was the conversation on giving up your citizenship............ah, nice...........]

        Edward Long is a genius........I wonder if he shared his rule breaking shenanigans with the Mrs.?
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          Aug 26 2013: RE: "Edward, now who is the scamp..." Mary! Please don't flag poor Robert. He's just a soul whose intentions are good, please don't let him be misunderstood! So, I gather you are not opposed to a bit of rule-breaking now and then? I have always suspected school teachers had a radar-like sixth sense about rule enforcement. Anyway, by posting here you are now on the NSA,and on the TED, close watch list! :-D
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      Aug 23 2013: I think people often do this in the midst of conversations if there is a natural sort of segue.

      As an aside, I have a hunch moderators are not entirely absent, as I believe I noticed a blatantly uncivil comment deleted yesterday in this thread.
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        Aug 23 2013: We are providing a pro bono, real-time test of the integrity of the conversation moderation system during vacation hours. Should we be apprehended and interrogated we will make every effort to disavow any knowledge of your participation or foreknowledge. Project Remora is underway. I repeat, Project Remora is underway! ;-[
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        Aug 23 2013: RE: "Oh Edward. Your little project...". The threat of abuse by The Vermin is mitigated by the brevity of Project Remora. By the time "they" get wind of the scheme our moderators will be back and our Abuse flags will be effective so we can self-police. I anticipate productivity from this rogue exchange. I also expect it will be free of any nefarious activity. Between you and me I think TED will remove the ability to edit the Headline of a post. Perhaps that will be the improvement which justifies Project Remora and secures it a place in the annals of TED Security history! Do you, Fritzie, think rules are made to be broken?
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          Aug 23 2013: I think this is one of those sayings that is neither right nor wrong. Most of us will break rules now and then, particularly if we are ready to bear the expected consequences of such behavior. (the penalty weighted by the risk of apprehension and enforcement)

          In some cases rules are meant mainly to facilitate coordinated action. For example, most places have a rule as to which side of the street you drive on or the order that should prevail when several vehicles are at a stop light. Such rules, though arbitrary in themselves, are best followed in the spirit of community.
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          Aug 24 2013: Oooh! SHHHH.. This is so underhanded! Shhhh
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        Aug 23 2013: RE: "I think this is one of those..." . Agreed. Not all rules are made to be broken, but some seem to be. The traffic examples you cited are LAWS, as distinguished from RULES (perhaps we need a definition of the difference, but I think everyone knows laws have civil authority while rules are specific to an institution). I also agree on the logic of acknowledging consequences of rule breaking. . . IF one is caught!
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      Aug 23 2013: Thanks for the compliment pops! :) How about a beer? Rules are for bibles.
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        Aug 23 2013: Mmmmm beer! Thanks, I will, but I have a Rule, no domestic beer! As a Rule I disagree with your assessment of the purpose of the Holy Bible, we can discuss that over an import beer, right? Be well.
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          Aug 23 2013: Ah, no colt 45!? Mickey's?! Old E(8 ball)?! Whaaa! ;) OK then, not picky here, you choose!

          Beer, religion, and politics. Awesome combination ;) I can agree to disagree but if you wanna discuss, sure anytime. EDIT: With respect!

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