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A course on Ethics?

Beyond what you learn in TOK class (for those of you who have been exposed to the IB system), is it crucial to introduce an ethics class in schools?
(meant more for kids like me, brought up in international, well-endowed, schools)

I say this because I cannot understand those who do not want to use and maximize the opportunities they are lucky enough to have (in a high-school, college setting). Who are we to deserve what we have more than someone living in poverty in the slums of Mumbai? What have we done to deserve it? Nothing.. yet. We need to value more, enjoy more, and utilize our world class educations more.

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    Sep 2 2013: .



    Well-endowed persons are easier to lose the ethics.
    Ethics are the rules of our ancestors' symbiosis.
    Symbiosis survives humankind.

    We need symbiosis to solve inequality, sustainability, ... problems.
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    Sep 1 2013: what happened to the TED,I cant post my own conversations any more,can you ? Do you know why?
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    Aug 5 2013: I am of the firm opinion that Ethics and Philosophy should be taught as regular subjects in every school right from the level when a student is in teens. But it will require the best of the teaching faculties.
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      Aug 5 2013: This is how I interpreted your brief prior statement.
      • Aug 5 2013: sorry reply to random chance
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    Aug 4 2013: That's a good idea!
  • Aug 4 2013: I agree, not only ethics but humility - so many seem to think they are entitled to things without working for it.
    • Aug 5 2013: Hi Dear wayne uejio.Do you think you are the one who entitled to things without working for it or not?If you aren't,I think most of people neither.We harvest what we plant.
      • Aug 5 2013: let me disagree - one good example is legacy entry into top colleges - George W Bush got into Yale only because his father and grandfather went to Yale and gave a lot of money.

        I have had people working for me that felt they were entitled. What is your sample set?
        • Aug 5 2013: Hi Dear wayne uejio:)Are you sure you what you knew are in detail?If you are George W Bush relations or neighbors?I think you heard people talk about the things for things.Once George W Bush was america president,how much effort he kept?how hard time he encountered?

          There is an old saying in my local place:when others people are doing the job,you see them dealing with it easily,but when you get into the job,you just can know how hard it is all...
      • Aug 5 2013: I will let history judge George W Bush as president. We are too close to events to judge them rationally in either direction, good or bad. and i was not talking about him as president but him getting into Yale with C grades. This is an example of legacy admissions.
        • Aug 6 2013: Hi Dear wayne uejio,I have to give up talking about George W Bush.Because I am not capable of talking him any in detail.

          By the way,when and how does learning happen to a person?What advantage and disavatage we use grades to select who should go to universities?
      • Aug 6 2013: Edulover,

        You asked 2 questions, the 1st about learning is for another discussion. the 2nd about university admission. Let me try to explain selection to universities (I am probably going to get some people angry at me for my opinons)
        1. In the USA, admissions comes down to grades/school, test scores, letters of recommendation, written essay, and an x-factor. The x-factor by order of importance is political influence of the family at the university, location, race,gender,

        the reason i put grades/school together is because universities know an A from 1 school is not the same from another school due to the level of the students and the competition for the A

        2. In most of Asia and parts of Europe placement is based on an exam plus political influence of the family. Some student who do not do well on the exam, commit suicide.

        In the US going to a good school and doing well has major consequences in getting a job. After getting a job, you have to perform but give an example - Go to Harvard do well, Go to Harvard Law and do well, you have a chance to be selected as a Supreme Court Clerk. After 1 year working the average salary for the clerks going to Law firms was 150k with an average signing bonus of 285k. This is money before they do work for the law firm.
        • Aug 7 2013: Hi Dear wayne uejio,Thanks for the sharing.So I understand why you mentioned:ethics course here.

          I think ethics means inner world issue,it isn't only learning course at school but also should be carrying it on in our whole life.It can't be measured by any concrete estimate.We can feel it with our hearts,A society which has good ethics around can make people feel in security,harmony and living happily.A person with good ethics in inner world,she(he) can feel the same.So ethics can be a guiding course for children to learn at school,but never limited it's values in grades level...
    • Aug 5 2013: Wayne:
      You wrote:
      " so many seem to think they are entitled to things without working for it."
      When you say, "so many.....are you referring here to the almost 2 billion people in the world who don't have access to clean drinking water?
      Or the 20,000 children, 5 years of age and under, who die every single day from starvation?
      Or the much higher numbers of children who die every day when you go above the age of five?.
      And what about the billions around the world, who work but their jobs don't take care of them and if they have children, aging parents or others that need their help, they are unable to help them?
      What about the almost 39 million people in America who are living in chronic, sometimes acute, daily pain because they simply cannot afford to have medical insurance or coverage that leads to their not being able to see doctors? And then a similar number of Americans who are thus going without pain medication because of the high profit margin and cost that the medical system wants?
      And what about all those other billions in the world who are also in pain, without care and without medicine to help them so that they can try and be productive?
      Just who are you speaking about?
      You are speaking about or looking at the wrong groups of people. The ones you should be pointing a verbal finger at are those in power, those with wealth because they have stolen it and are stealing more.
      They are the welfare system, right before your very eyes.
      They are the ones who have no ethics. They are the ones who want (what you want or have), for nothing because they steal it.
      Just who are you referring to?
      Or how about the billions who are impoverished, many being made that way by corrupt officials in their own countries, and also by the invasion and rape of their resources by other countries
      • Aug 5 2013: : Please read the question I was answering before going off on a tangent. The so many as explained are those who feel privileged by wealth or perceived class to deserve a job without effort, wages without working, a promotion with no ability, a raise for nothing, and a place at a prestige university without the credentials.