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Would you rather be the next Micheal Jackson (more likely to be miserable). Or the next Justin Bieber (still able to make a lot of money)?

Micheal seem to be miserable all his life, he spent that last years of his life trying to beat the young genius image that he once was.
Justin seem to be more happy, because he is too smart to know people are talking behind him.
Those are two equal option. No choice is better than other. I think both are the same. It's just the other form of life. But what would you rather choose, and why?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/35641#i0,p0,d0 Here is a link to an anime named Mushi-shi, it is very peaceful, it's kind of on the Justin Beiber side. If you have time, I recommend you watch it, and tell me about your thought.

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    Aug 4 2013: Simon Le,
    There are MANY more than the two choices you propose for the life experience. If you open your mind and heart to genuinely explore, perhaps you may discover other choices.

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    Simon Le,
    You changed the topic question after many people responded to your original topic. I don't think that is a very good practice.
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      Aug 4 2013: Often it's about working hard to get the better life later, or rather enjoy it now.

      But my question is, it is best to live for other, or live for your self. Yes you can do a little of both, but it is not likely to maximize your purpose.
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        Aug 4 2013: That is not the question you put forth Simon Le, and I will answer it anyway.

        You are right.......we can do a little of both......live for ourselves by learning, growing and evolving in ourselves, while contributing to the whole.
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          Aug 4 2013: Alright, but if one focus on helping other, he/she can do much much more than a normal doing both.
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        Aug 4 2013: I do not agree Simon Le, that if one focuses on helping others, s/he can do more. We cannot give to others, something we do not have in ourselves, so it is important to take care of ourselves, with respect, if we want to give that gift to others....in my humble perception and experience.
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          Aug 4 2013: Good point.
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          Aug 4 2013: That's the kind of thing I am searching for. :))) Now let's wait and see if any one else have a different view about this.
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          Aug 4 2013: :)))))))))))) Isn't the purpose of the human race is to enjoy themselves. Invading the universe and creating as much as other human fellow as possible is just another point to secure our human future and therefore can enjoy ourselves even more! :))
          Some enjoy their lives like most other. Some take the obligation to to help other as a way to enjoy themselves. :)) funny human.
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        Aug 4 2013: Yes indeed Simon Le, humans are funny at times, and we have many choices throughout the life experience, including getting enjoyment from helping others:>)
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          Aug 4 2013: :))) I'm happy when I help others, I worry at some point when everyone doesn't need help any more, people like me will be miserable.
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          Aug 4 2013: :))) I just hope that point never come because at that point people like me are going to seek destruction so they can be happy again :))))) HAHAHAHAhAHHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHA :))))
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          Aug 4 2013: :)))))) but until that point comes, we will try to find the fastest and best way to reach that point :)) JHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA
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        Aug 4 2013: Destruction never helps people to be more happy Simon Le. People who like to destroy something are not very happy, and I think you know that.
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          Aug 4 2013: :)))) I mean if there are someone who can only be happy if they could help other. At some point when they can no longer help other, they're probably seek destruction so they can help people again :)))))))))))) funny thought :)))) I don't think so, but some may.
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        Aug 4 2013: I don't agree that destruction is funny Simon Le.
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          Aug 4 2013: I don't think destruction is funny. I find how they could probably seek destruction for happiness is funny.
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        Aug 4 2013: Seeking destruction, thinking it will create happiness is not very productive for anyone Simon Le.
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          Aug 4 2013: Productive is not the point, they seek destruction so they can help other again. So they can be happy :)))) I mean it's just a thought :)) a stupid thought
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        Aug 4 2013: I do not believe destruction creates happiness for anyone Simon Le. Why do you want to hang onto a thought that you think is "stupid"?
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          Aug 4 2013: I mean human is very diverse, why would you think no one will think of such thing :))) but then again :))) but the point haven't come yet, or probably never come.
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        Aug 4 2013: Yes Simon Le, humans are diverse. You seem to be the only one thinking of it at the moment.
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          Aug 4 2013: Well I can say the same to you. Why would you think everyone has the same view as you do?
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        Aug 4 2013: I do not think everyone has the same view as I do Simon Le.....I did not say that.
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          Aug 4 2013: One may just find the physical unified theory with out any compassion or a clear sense of purpose. They do it because they can. That may open the door to greater destruction.

          Didn't you say I am seem to be the only one thinking of it at the moment? I said some one else just may thinking of it, and their reason is reasonable too.
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          Aug 4 2013: Of course you did not say that, but it implies in your words, with or with out your intention. One can not just deny other possibilities that does not apply to you.
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        Aug 4 2013: Simon Le,
        I do not agree that compassion opens a door to destruction, nor do I believe that destruction opens a door to compassion.

        If you think the idea is reasonable, so be it. You said in another comment that you thought it was "stupid".

        Simon Le
        20 minutes ago:
        " I mean it's just a thought :)) a stupid thought "
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          Aug 4 2013: HA?!!!! I say one could just do a great deal of help with any compassion. Like the one man who created the atomic bomb. Or Einstein who has the best sense of compassion but created the theory that open the possibility to the atomic theory.

          When I say it stupid, it mean it may not happen, so it is stupid . But it may happen, then it's not stupid. But I hope it never happen, therefore I called it a stupid thought.
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        Aug 4 2013: OK Simon Le....call it what you will.


        EDIT, regarding comment below.
        I do not use any "trick" to get what I want at any time Simon Le, and I do not believe that is helpful. I am not trying to "prove" anything Simon Le......just trying to have some kind of reasonable conversation, which does not seem to be evolving, so I am finished.
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          Aug 4 2013: There are two ways to reach what you want.
          Like in Buddhism or Confucianism, they reach what they want by complete change their way of wanting , compromise it for the greater good. So they can reach their maximum peak of happiness.
          Another way to be happy is to get what you want ( If that is what you really want, and you will really happy if you get it) you use trick and knowledge , logic and time to get what ever you want. Thereby reach their maximum happiness .
          One can't not prove either one is superior to the other.
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          Aug 4 2013: This is what I mean when I say would you want to be the fool or the genius.
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          Aug 4 2013: One can't not easily follow both path at the same time. They are equally great and equally contradict the other.
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          Aug 4 2013: When one think of seeking destruction as a way to reach their own personal need, other can not just come in and change his will with out killing him. His reason are legitimate (if only we reach that point I was talking about). Well, we can always use trick or our own philosophy to change his way of thinking, and that's only possible if he has a weak mental ability. If he has greater mental abilities , then we are kind of on the doom side , are we not?
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          Aug 4 2013: Is it conversation not reasonable?
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          Aug 4 2013: When I say trick i mean knowledge, is a physic equation not a trick?
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          Aug 4 2013: When you are fighting a war, is it not best using trick to win a war with out killing any one?
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          Aug 4 2013: :))) or maybe die for honor is a greater option for the war matter.
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      Aug 4 2013: You are supposed to be the wise one, you should start to attack my arguments and point out the loop holes in my reasons.
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        Aug 4 2013: Pointing out the holes in your reasoning is impossible. You're not reasoning anything out; you're going round and round in circles. Your whole basic premise is untenable. A person intelligent and compassionate enough to want to help others and to see how they can do that is much more likely to be happier than a person who, clever or not, is selfish and narrow minded.
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          Aug 4 2013: Yes.... You are right, indeed :))))
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          Aug 4 2013: I'm still young and selfish, I couldn't help it. :)))))
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          Aug 4 2013: Any suggestions for me?
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          Aug 4 2013: Please?
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      Aug 5 2013: Would you rather be the next Micheal Jackson (more likely to be miserable). Or the next Justin Bieber (still able to make a lot of money)?
  • Aug 8 2013: *>)) I hope not
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      Aug 8 2013: No, I mean you have the will to enjoy life as it is, rather than fight for some thing that may makes you much more miserable. It's great. You should read some Buddhism and Confucianism books or watch some videos, the two are not against other religions. So if you follow Christianity, or you are a atheist, I hurt to read those book. Here is 40 min www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un_TQumIx3E (Confucius biography) and think if you like him or not :)))) Then this is a 2 hour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qaKd0kMHAs Confucius saying, I think it's worthy 10 years work on it to understand and apply it fully. Here is two other alternatives videos, if you don't like the guy voice.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdrDJCy7Yw
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBgXRE7HgZ0
      • Aug 9 2013: I am Buddhist and Shinto. I have read some Confucianism probably not enough. Re-reading I Ching and trying to read the Koran.
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          Aug 9 2013: :))) You are a monk? In that case, Taoism is more suitable for you.
      • Aug 9 2013: nope just someone with a lot of questions that loves to read. have not checked out taoism
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          Aug 9 2013: You said you are a Buddhist! @@! ok...I guess that make sense.
  • Aug 8 2013: neither i would rather be me. thought both were/are very immature
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      Aug 8 2013: :)) I guess you are on the Bebier's side.
  • Aug 5 2013: I don't see your point exactly. As an artist? Neither, I choose to do what I like to do and if people like it, so be it, but I won't do stuff just because they like it. And I can't see the "misery" in that, in fact, I'd be really miserable as Justin Bieber. Well, unless I'd be ignorant and call my "work" special that truly deserves all the attention.

    As a person? Misery is relative. I don't suffer from apathy and I certainly do not believe that "genius mind" is really all that depressing. I guess it's mostly based upon individuals. Though my idea of fun would probably be seen probably quite wicked and pointless, but I just do what ticks me and doesn't untick anyone else. Or at least I try not to untick anyone else.
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      Aug 5 2013: If you can trade your long life happiness for a million others, would you trade it? Can you see the contrast here?
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      Aug 5 2013: I couldn't careless about who is smarter than who.
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      Aug 5 2013: Would you rather be the next Micheal Jackson (more likely to be miserable). Or the next Justin Bieber (still able to make a lot of money)?
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    Aug 4 2013: no. I have yet to meet anyone in my travelings that wish nor want to be perceived as foolish,(of course the exception is ones want to 'act' foolishly).
    if my genius means I could contribute to the happiness and well being of millions around the globe.....I would have to say yes. Now, when and if someone were to knock at the door to my home and present this option, I'll revisit your question Simon.
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      Aug 4 2013: :))))))))))) but being foolish, you can do what ever you want, you don't have to worry about pride because you don't have to prove any thing. You can smoke weed, which are now legalize in some stages.
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      Aug 4 2013: I want to be that foolish :))) most of the time.
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      Aug 4 2013: If only I don't have any obligations for other things :)))
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      Aug 5 2013: Would you rather be the next Micheal Jackson (more likely to be miserable). Or the next Justin Bieber (still able to make a lot of money)?
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    Aug 4 2013: The only suggestion I can think of is that you might consider using your time to sit in a quiet corner and ponder over such weighty questions as 'is it better to keep my fingers from typing so many inane sentences and perhaps be thought a fool, than to pour words out in a frenzied stream and prove it?'
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      Aug 4 2013: I did weight my words, there are just so many words.
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      Aug 4 2013: And the response time are very slow too. It's usually a 5 min a message response, I feel like jumping out of my skin, what do you have me do.
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      Aug 4 2013: It's not like you are any kinder to me :))))))))))))))))) just as much cruel as I see it .
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      Aug 4 2013: Time run a lot lot lot lot lot faster for young people , you know.
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        Aug 5 2013: Are you miserable, young man? Does that mean you're a genius? By your reasoning then, you should be sorting out the troubles of the world rather than adding to them by acting the fool.
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          Aug 5 2013: @@! I mean if you want to be a genius, you have to work hard, put aside your happiness and need, thereby you are more likely to be miserable.
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          Aug 5 2013: I mean you can choose either one, I never say either path is better than the other. It's just another form of life.
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          Aug 5 2013: I think I should change the word genius to the word good guy or some thing. So many people have trouble with it.
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      Aug 5 2013: Would you rather be the next Micheal Jackson (more likely to be miserable). Or the next Justin Bieber (still able to make a lot of money)?
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    Aug 4 2013: I choose genius. I was born with a beautifully brilliant mind and have a gift of an exceptional thought process that many do not share. I could and would be of great help to fellow human beings. The miseries you suggest I will incur will not last a life time. This brilliant mind of mine will quickly recognize the awesome and true realization that helping others brings more joy and self-satisfaction then any of my other endeavors and/or accomplishments !

    Yes Simon..I definitely choose genius
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      Aug 4 2013: Well, if you are a genius, are more likely to worry about other business that your own. :)) I know a lot of people call themselves genius, most of them are not very happy for a variety of reason.
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      Aug 4 2013: It's about if you can trade your happiness for the happiness of the other millions people. Will you do it? :)) It's basically, Do you want to be foolish because foolish is cool?
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      Aug 5 2013: Would you rather be the next Micheal Jackson (more likely to be miserable). Or the next Justin Bieber (still able to make a lot of money)?
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    Aug 4 2013: I'd rather be a genius because at least I'd have some understanding of my situation.
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      Aug 4 2013: :))) choosing is not that simple, if you choose to be a fool, you can do whatever you want.
      If you choose to be a genius, you have to put your happiness and need beside to learn and train to be a genius. That's why it's miserable.
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        Aug 4 2013: well, I'd still rather be a genius because at least I'd have some understanding of my situation.
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          Aug 4 2013: good to hear :)))) I'll be watching you.
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          Aug 5 2013: Would you rather be the next Micheal Jackson (more likely to be miserable). Or the next Justin Bieber (still able to make a lot of money)?
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      Aug 4 2013: And since now you are a genius, you know better, if there is problem in the world, I will call you up with out you want it or not, and you must want it. To the contrary, I will honor you, both in peace and war time, and you are worthy of a genius regardless of what most of the other think.
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        Aug 5 2013: No, it's not true, Simon, a genius does not have to want every problem, no one person can solve every problem or work on every problem.
  • Aug 4 2013: There is no correlation between intelligence and compassion.

    A good question to ask is:
    If someone can find happiness by ignoring the truth, is that smart?
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      Aug 4 2013: Basically, would you live for yourself or the good of other?
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      Aug 4 2013: Ignoring the truth is not smart, but you can be happy. That's why I called the fool.
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    Aug 4 2013: It looks like, ahm, I am a bit of both.
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      Aug 4 2013: Well, you truly are a born genius. Most have to train to became either one.
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      Aug 5 2013: Would you rather be the next Micheal Jackson (more likely to be miserable). Or the next Justin Bieber (still able to make a lot of money)?
  • Aug 3 2013: Suggest you see the movie "Charly" or read the novel it is based on "Flowers for Algemon" and to answer your question, i would not be a fool - and you don't have to be a genius to help people or feel miserable.
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      Aug 4 2013: What I mean is, you can be a genius through training, practice and learning. Wouldn't you want to maximize your power to help others? If you want to be helpful but not useful, isn't it just another way to be happy and being a fool?
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    Aug 3 2013: definitely want to be happy,in any situation!!
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      Aug 3 2013: If you are a genius you have the obligation to serve society, but if you are a fool, you get to smoke all the weed you want. :))))))) I think...
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        Aug 4 2013: serve society? really? you mean the world has 2 parts, fool people and geniuses.however you asked sth else.
        you said "miserable" not serve society!!
        and nobody is obligated to serve sth,
        maybe you are a miserable fool,huh?
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          Aug 4 2013: Let's take a Nobel Prize at an example, let's look at it as an ultimate way to serve society. To get that prize, you have to do a lot of learning and training. Doesn't seem like you will like to get the most happiness, isn't it?
          Otherwise, you can choose to be the cool guy in high school right now. But it doesn't seem like you are going to be very helpful, isn't it?

          Chances are, you could win the lottery, but you are most likely to invest that in education in hope of be more useful in helping people. Or you could be a fool and spend it all in a stupid car to get more chick.

          What I mean is, a genius or a fool in my way of though is not define by by his/her IQ. For example: a Wall street worker is very rich because he is very smart, but he doesn't help any one, so he is a fool for he only wants to be happy himself. But now, he has to worry about losing money, or about his son in law may be a gold digger, so he may not be very happy, but that's is not likely to happen, and I call him the fool.
          In the other hand, If a man spent 50 years of his life on researching on a vaccine that could save millions, and even though he may not find it, he is still a genius. And he spend all that time, not with his family, but with his research, so he is not likely to be maximize his happiness, but he just might find the vaccine.

          You are more likely to choose path, but if you can do both then that's great, but most people are not that lucky, so you have to choose the path and take the chances. So head or tale?


          See the point I want to show here, you can't see the future so you can only choose one path because you are playing with chances.
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          Aug 4 2013: I'm saying if there is petty much 2 way of lives . That may not true, but if it is, what do you think?
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          Aug 4 2013: If you take the obligation to serve society, you are worthy to be call a genius, the best guy, the good guy, whatever.
          If you don't want that obligation, you are only worthy of a fool, no matter what's you IQ score.
      • Aug 4 2013: A genius has only an obligation to the truth. I disagree that they are obligated to serve society.
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          Aug 4 2013: A genius has the obligation to the truth to serve society. I mean he can be happy nonetheless, but he's mostly likely miserable.
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      Aug 5 2013: Would you rather be the next Micheal Jackson (more likely to be miserable). Or the next Justin Bieber (still able to make a lot of money)?
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        Aug 5 2013: in fact, i dont like justin and i prefer micheal for listening their music,but if i want to decide based on their lifes, justin ,because i think these types of people enjoy their life.