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Do you support TED.com selling?

This will be my only conversation on TED.com

What I find, honestly, is appalling, in that certain comments are being systematically deleted, not only in these conversations, but also in the main TED video page.

It seems only too apparent, that if a "Paid Sponsor" be it a company or individual does not like what you say, it gets deleted.

The comment(s) are not necessarily offensive, those comments may put forward that TED is just "selling" space to "Paid Sponsor" for whatever product. Or indicating to others this is clearly a ""Paid Sponsor" video. Or comments may put forward that there are other alternatives to the "Paid Sponsor" product, either way if the "Paid Sponsor" is not happy your comment is gone.

I don't approve of TED.com shilling products and just becoming a PR machine for some. I certainly don't like that unless you seeming fawn over the "Paid Sponsor" your inline for deletion.

Too often you only have to look at the bio and see that there is a new book, or dvd, or a range of products or services on offer.

One of the strengths of TED.COM is that there is a variety of people, with widely divergent views, regions, beliefs and understanding, sure there are times things get heated, but sometimes in that heat can come a realization of a perspective that you've never seen nor hear before.

Deleting comments only serves alienate, and it ignores what made TED.com great - us. It effectively marginalizes us to be secondary conduit messengers for "Paid Sponsors" as seen on - TED.com.

In protest I will not be supporting TED.COM any more, by deleting my account, will my leaving make any difference, probably no. But then again, if you never take a stand, then you stand for nothing.

Will informing you of this product placement etc make a difference, I hope yes.

And strangely enough, that I believe...is an idea worth sharing.

PS With no account obviously wont be seeing or replying to any of your comments, nor flagging any of them, so post what you will.

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    Jul 30 2013: I think you put two things together that are not so intertwined as you claim it to be.
    1) TED selling advertisement (to sponsors)
    2) Deleting of posts in the conversations area

    (1) the first seems to me as part of their income. I think that it is necessary for them to do so plus they can get their foot and influence in the door of the companies... (partnerships). I don't think they curate in order to please the sponsors... (As for the TEDx rules: we can't give stage to sponsors, as it would bias the event and quality).
    As long as TED upholds its quality, I see no problems with advertisement. (although I don't like adds...)

    (2) the deletion of posts and topics is done because some of them are against the rule of a good conversation (shouting, trolling, going of topic,...) and increases the quality
    Other deletions are because the person who posted it, deleted it at a later time.
    Then there is the more thin and difficult line of content... and the curating of it is somewhat harder. But there are Ideas not worth spreading. I think this sometimes happens, but not so often.
    I jet need to see an example of a deleted comment because of a sponsor...

    As for a speaker: it is often because they have written a recent book that they are invited to talk about the matter: this is because the book contains a good idea TED wishes to have on stage; not the other way around. Speakers are unpaid and don't pay TED to get on the stage... (maybe Bill Gates does, but most of his talks are great so I don't mind the next time they give a thank you dinner for TEDxChange organizers ;-) )

    However, I think we should keep an eye on the 'overcomercialisation' of TED... as soon as the quality suffers from it, we should turn our backs and find a better forum or brand that spreads ideas...
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      Aug 1 2013: I think she is over-reacting, however, TED is not as pure as you make it out to be either. Nor do I see how a 'TED ATTENDEE' and 'TEDX ORGANIZER' and 'ASSOCIATE' thinks that he is going to have much success convincing someone like Tify that things are the way she perceives them, because you're part of the system. You would sound like a PR specialist in that post, except you a lot of spelling errors and left out words, as in "get their foot and influence" You even used 'We,' as if you were speaking for TED.com itself.

      And by the way, Larry Burns talk on GM cars made me feel like I was watching a late-night infomercial. They said he was head of R&D, but I'm pretty sure in real life he's a used car salesman down the street from my place. The questions he was asked at the end of his talk that are in the video were definitely scripted.

      Choosing writers with books containing ideas worth spreading I do like. But you know, those authors are going on book tours and speaking on radio and television and hosting online chat sessions. For every one of them there are ten other people with ideas worth spreading that haven't signed a book deal, don't have the capital and aren't networking savvy. I say, find me the diamond in the rough, not the jewel already on display in the window case.

      So go ahead, wave your wand of censorship and flag me, if you want.
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        Aug 3 2013: Daniel,

        Of course it is plain to see I am a fan of TED.
        I can only portray my colored view (as anybody else). And you can also see English is not my mother tongue and that I have a mild form of dyslexia ( I try and use a spelling checker as much as possible).

        I do think that TED (and TEDx more so) is a brand that I like because there is a big overlap with my ideology... So I'll probably tend to see some errors they make less than other people. However: I do know where my personal lines lie and I know when I'll quit supporting them.

        As for rough diamonds: if you look at last years conference (the young, the wise, the undiscovered), they had a world tour where unknown people could apply with their ideas worth spreading, and most of the content came from that round of searching these unheard voices.
        When I curate my own (TEDx) events, I tend to have a preference for the less known, though having a known name on the stage tends to draw in people... this is a bit sad, but then again, these people will see that (during the day) the better talks often come from the less known guests.
        And practically: it is hard to find someone who is hidden... hence.

        As for censorship: I don't have any power in that (ok, I might try and use my influence and TED contacts, but that would be quite lame). I hope my arguments and reasoning stand on their own, as I don't like logical fallacies. (when I said we: I meant everybody, so you as well)

        Watching the talk of Larry Burns: yes, this has some promo talk in it... as it is 9 years ago, we don't see those fancy new kind of cars on the market now (is it a question of when??)... so yes, that's quite sad. Maybe we should send him a reminder to get that 'promise' going.
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          Aug 3 2013: I could NOT see English is not your mother tongue. And I'm an English and Rhetoric Major in college with a Minor in Comparative World Literature, so I don't know if that means you're a good English speaker or I'm a really bad student.

          Please don't tell me you see TED as a "brand". Brands are what we put we used to burn into the hides of cows to claim ownership of them when they were grazing free range. I would like to say that these negative associations have fallen by the wayside, but far from it, brands like Nike and Apple have brainwashed their customers into cults and emblazon their images into the hearts and minds of their massively manipulated consumer base.

          I do think we are on the same side of the offense and I overreacted yesterday. I am also a fan of TED but I'm also new to TED and Tify is one of the people that I've recognized (yes, I admit, to me the name appears strikingly unusual) so I got a bit defensive. Furthermore, I didn't make a simple spelling error, I left out an entire word in the very sentence in which I was criticizing your spelling, so shame on me.

          People aren't hidden so much as unheard. You don't have to find them so much as listen closely and you will hear them.

          My problem with Larry Burns has nothing to do with the time that has passed. It was the way the host/monitor/whatever-you-call-it came on and lobbed him an easy question to which he gave a press-release response.

          Something I like about the 'retro' TED talks I've been coming across--the low-tech, low-cost production costs. These TED events have become more glamorously staged than the Oscars. All you need is a person on a stage with a mic and a slide projector.
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          Aug 3 2013: My mother bought me a ticket for my birthday once to go see the Dalai Lama speak at this award luncheon held in come fancy downtown conference center. The list of people to thank, presenting sponsors, associate sponsors, patron sponsors, friend sponsors, platinum table sponsors, gold table sponsors, host and hostesses went on and on. To bring one individual and his translator (and yes, I'm sure some sort of Tibetan entourage) to Cincinnati to speak for not even an hour.

          How much of a thanks can you give a guy after a room of people try to set the world's record for number of people patting themselves on the back? You fly him over coach, put him up in a university campus dorm and have everyone brown bag their lunches so the His Holiness the Dude of the Tibet can impart some serious wisdom. The National Underground Railroad Freedom Center (go see the absurd multi-million dollar sum they wanted to switch front doors to their museum) could have done a lot more for the poor and disenfranchised of Cincinnati than have this elaborate banquet for the ignorant rich and naive middle class. I don't know what the Dalai Lama ate that day, but I don't know how he stomached the crowd.

          If that's what TED is becoming.... if that's what the TEDxEvents are actually like... if I don't see TEDxGhetto or TEDx3rdWorldWe'reAlwaysTalkingAboutInOurFancyAuditoriums, then I'm joining Tify: If you never take a stand, you stand for noting.
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          Aug 3 2013: Mmmmm... I realize I sound combative, but I also don't fell like re-phrasing all my language. Please don't take any of it personally.
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    Jul 29 2013: You've made 908 comments here. Did it take that long for you to come to the conclusion that TED is, QUOTE " a commercial clearing house for their paid sponsors, shilling products and acting as a PR machine while marginalizing all who participate causing them to become secondary conduit messengers for paid sponsors." ? Have you cooled-off since hurling those slings and arrows? Do you stand by everything you posted exactly as worded? Stick around and give us the grown-up version of the story behind your passionate fury. If not, Hasta la weidersein!
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      Aug 7 2013: Yea Edward! I thought I was the only one who noticed that she has made over 900 comments and never once was offended by advertising. I know that this will not hurt Tifys feelings, because as she said, she will no longer be here, but she herself has deleted many comments after throwing insults at people. Once they get her hurtful words in their inbox, she deletes them, probably realizing what she will look like. An example...I was explaining that when I was ill I felt like I was a burden to my family. In response, Tify told me that if I felt like a burden, it was because I was one. She then quickly deleted the comment - herself. Nice girl.
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        Aug 7 2013: Tify was a searcher. I guess her appetites were not satisfied here. Sounds like time to call in the dogs and head on down the trail. May God help her. You are no longer ill? God helped you! We all need help. Stay well!
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    Jul 29 2013: Tify, I will miss your comments if you go. Some of your comments have been in my short list of most insightful posts on TED.

    I agree with you that a comment that challenges a speaker or sponsor's point of view in a normally polite way should not be deleted. Speakers and sponsors, as well as the community, can learn from such comments. Many people in distinguished or privileged positions have a hard time getting people to speak the truth to them, and I would think they would value it.
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    Aug 8 2013: Have people actually visited the Sponsor page at the website and seen the various project they are doing?

    "The ideas on TED.com are powerful. Our speakers think big -- shaping technology, creating ingenious solutions to global problems, and innovating in business, science, design and the arts. On the TED.com platform, brands have a place to share their biggest ideas, inspiring others and reaching thought leaders in every corner of the world.
    Providing TEDTalks free to the world is made possible by the generosity of our partners. For more information about becoming a partner, visit the partnership website or contact us directly at sponsors@ted.com."

    TED also allows corporation to host TEDx event under curtain guidelines.


    What is here that is so objectionable?
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    Aug 7 2013: If an entity - let's call them TED - puts up a web cite, offers a service, provides information, entertains people, brings folks together or gives them something to do, or talk about and share experiences, then I say they can do it any way they want to do it. At least here in the US, we are able to choose what we participate in on our free time, and there are lots of other cites to choose from if this one offends anyone. I also don't think that TED was established with the vision that things would "get heated" as much as some might like them to be. It is a learning experience, and I personally enjoy it that way.
  • Jul 30 2013: Yes, I'm very much in the support of TED spelling ..... I whish peoples cood spell....
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      Aug 3 2013: I caught those too spelling errors!!!
  • Jul 30 2013: Hi Dear Tify,we are connected.no matter paid sponsor or registers,guests...hosts,The road of life we are in ZigZag tedious on and on...
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    Aug 8 2013: Bottom line: "It's their sandbox, we just get to play in it if we're good."
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      Aug 7 2013: Everyone brightens a room, some by entering, some by leaving.
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    Aug 5 2013: I am not well informed on the situation at hand here so I can't comment on something without having enough knowledge on it.

    BUT can I just say, Tify you are awesome. Just throwing it out there that I like Tify's point on standing up for what you believe in despite of the measure of it's effect. I respect the guts!
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      Aug 8 2013: Yes, and let's admire TED for allowing this conversation to happen as well.
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    Aug 3 2013: What I think is being asked of TED is how come companies can't just do good for good is good to do? Why does it something so pure as "ideas worth spreading" have to be a matter of "we donate some money, you give us some publicity,"

    The reason all company sponsorship and scholarship and donation and social contribution is totally insincere is that none of it, absolutely none of it, is done ANONYMOUSLY. Corporations always sign their charity checks with logo or slogan and in the space for a memo they write in a press release. People who TRULY care do so without making a news item of it.
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      Aug 8 2013: Would you support TED if they gave up the corporate sponsorship?
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        Aug 8 2013: (Red-faced) Uh, no. But I overstated my actual position. I think corporate sponsorship is one thing; but not if they are selling stage time for corporate TED Talks. It's fine if banks want to have their names on the fields, but that's not the same as them getting to put their bankers onto the court/field/ice.
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    Aug 1 2013: NO! They shouldn't sell out, they shouldn't buy in, they should give it all away!