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Should Microsoft and Google stand up and oppose the NSA publicly? Will doing nothing work?

The big Media Story today is about a Whistle-Blower who is hiding and
may soon to be captured and returned to the US for Arrest and Trial.

The exposure of NSA spying tactics of forcing Microsoft and Google,
as well as a number of other Internet Providers, both here and abroad, to provide User Records has put this nation's Internet Users on guard.

The NSA's current program PRISM has now been shown to have been
used to invade and capture information from friendly foreign nations.

We are Americans. We claim to be Free. However, in the
last 20 years things have been changing. Can we afford to stay
out of the mess?
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What I wrote, although it sounds like an hyperbole, is anything but.

I refer to CNN's presentation on July 17th's video of the US Congress
having a hearing with the Deputy Director's of the Department's of Justice, DOJ, the DIA, the National Security Agency, NSA. and one other.

In the 3 .8 hour Congressional Committee's hearing, members asked pointed
questions and received evasive answers, with promises made that a secret
session would be more appropriate to answer their queries.

The queries by the Congressmen and Congresswomen were to the point
of why the NSA and other such agencies were conducting surveillances'
of US citizens, with partner corporations, collecting said US citizen's information from the telephone (cell phone) calls, email messages, and otherwise, that had been placed and received, and specifically without the knowledge and/or permission of said US citizens, in violation of two of the amendments to the US Constitution, plainly illegal acts.

Hyperbole, not hardly.

I found on my operating system, evidence of the NSA's Prism program.
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Regardless of your opinion, please take a few minutes and
respond. ..Your input is necessary. ..Stand up, be fearless.

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    Jul 18 2013: There's something I want to say here because I see a lot of people going off about the government. I think there is a lot of government malfeasance here. I really do.

    But intelligence services and the State Department are there for very important reasons. If you go all the way back to Sun Tze's Art of War he talks about how once you put your troops in the field of battle, you have nearly lost every purpose you had in going to war. Before you think of going to war you should exhaust every avenue of negotiation, diplomacy, marriage (hey we're talking ancient China), spying, even assassination to prevent putting your people in the field. Because then, so many will die, you have certainly lost so much.

    So, the State Department with its budget for making us look better around the world, and its diplomats? They are trying to keep us out of wars.

    And even the NSA, with their spying and their huge database of communications? Ultimately they are there to try to keep us out of wars. The way they are doing it? Very poorly put together. But they also do work that does that job, too. They gather intelligence that goes to the State Department and allows the diplomatic corps to peacefully go to countries and negotiate us into dispersing bad situations before they get worse. This is why they are a power bloc in DC. They actually do important work. Otherwise, Congress would smack them on the nose, say "Bad puppy," and send them to the kennel, do you see?

    The wars we get into are because the idiots in Congress and their prodding cronies on the beltway decide it's a good idea to spend money to go adventuring and kill our children over questionable casus belli overseas. The military hates wars. The only "good" war we've been in IMNSHO lately is in Bosnia, where (no one seems to remember) we saved Muslim lives from ethnic cleansing a couple decades ago with our NATO allies. How soon we forget...
    • Jul 18 2013: Shava Nerad 10+ Great propaganda.

      You cannot end War with a gun.
      Diplomats do not carry weapons.
      There never has been a good War.
      Spying is wrong. So is lying about it.
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          Jul 18 2013: I am not sure you read my post carefully. What I said was that diplomacy and intelligence keep countries (yours too, not just the US - all countries have diplomats and spies) out of wars by heading off tensions.

          You not liking the fact that countries are warlike is rather like not liking that there is disease in the world. If I said, this many children will die of flu this year, would you tell me I hated children because I reported the statistic?

          If my government were to send my family overseas at risk of death or harm - and my brother and son are in the military - then I should rather it be in Bosnia saving lives from human right atrocities than some imaginary WMD in Iraq.

          My family is liberal. We are not hawks. But if only hawks send their children to military service, what voices are at the tables when policy is discussed? My father was a minister who marched with Dr King and the SCLC. Formal nonviolence teaches us that you must study war, not shrink from its study, in order to understand and be able to negotiate with those who would embroil us in wars. That is my profession - I work to fend off wars, but I must work closely with those who execute them. It is not black and white territory, i'm afraid. Wishing won't make it so. If these were simple problems, we'd have solved them millenia ago, don't you think?

          Yet, I give you good information, and rather than asking a follow-up question, you are willing to write me off as a liar or a propagandist ot not credible - just like that. Is it any wonder there are so many wars when humans are so fast to rush to judgment to exclude someone from their trust?
        • Jul 18 2013: Kate, Kudo's

          Propaganda is used by our media to blunt and distort.
          Most times it is obvious. Sometimes it takes a while
          for the reader to recognize. Sometimes the reader is
          fooled. Then media wins.

          We live in a really strange world. It was like this from
          the time I was a wee child.

          My Father read me and my siblings the Sunday Funnies.
          Terry and the Pirates was my favorite. During WW2 the
          Funnies were changed to Terry and the Flying Tigers, with
          episodes in both theatres of the War. When the Korean
          Conflict began, the planes were changed from the old P57's
          to F80's and then F86's fighting Russian/Red Chinese MiGs.

          If you cannot fool a small child with these blatant acts, how
          does the government think it can fool all Americans, and the
          world's peoples? Why do we even put up with such nonsense?

          I suppose to answer my own question, no one wants to rock the
          boat.

          Like a sea of Army Ants we...
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        • Jul 22 2013: John Moonstroller 30+

          And during the years without WAR. What happened?
          Did all those peoples trying to kill us go to sleep?

          John, the US President uses Wars to get the Spoils.
          His supporters share. The people don't.
          Things are a bit out of whack, don't ya thnk?
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        Jul 19 2013: What I said Kate, is that you took what I said and said I instantly lost all credibility. And now you are turning that around and saying I made a rash judgement that you were talking through your hat.

        You don't read what I am saying. You are determined to judge my words with your anger. It doesn't really matter what I say, you will find that I am your enemy. So I shouldn't probably respond, because you'll just respond with more anger.

        If you actually researched my background you'd find I've even done PTSD therapeutics research. This really is my life's work.

        Ultimately, you can't know what wars we don't end up in. We aren't in Sudan, Somalia, Syria (at least not yet), and that's just the likely S's in the last few years. We aren't in Iran.

        But it's a more general charter, too.

        I rather feel like this is saying, "Well, look, you are the firefighter. Why are there still fires?" That's not the way it works. You educate people, you work on regulations for fire safety, you arrest arsonists if you can catch them. But the best way to prevent fires is to get rid of the sparks before they become fires, so to speak. Make sure everything is damp. :)

        There are aspects to any of this process of education, activism, lobbying government, educating the public -- and getting them to actually vote and become engaged and not waving flags and blowing bugles every time someone saying Johnnie should march to war again... People say they don't want war until there is one.

        Here in Boston we looked like Kandahar on the day after Patriot's Day, all for one skinny boy hiding in a boat -- and nearly no one found it excessive or a violation of posse comitatus.

        I have honestly done more overseas for freedoms than I've been able to do here, but I'm putting together a newer project hoping to turn out more citizen participation and teach people more transparently about what their own government is about.

        I'm on the same side. What are you at? Do you strike out at everyone?

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