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Frank Barry

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Should Microsoft and Google stand up and oppose the NSA publicly? Will doing nothing work?

The big Media Story today is about a Whistle-Blower who is hiding and
may soon to be captured and returned to the US for Arrest and Trial.

The exposure of NSA spying tactics of forcing Microsoft and Google,
as well as a number of other Internet Providers, both here and abroad, to provide User Records has put this nation's Internet Users on guard.

The NSA's current program PRISM has now been shown to have been
used to invade and capture information from friendly foreign nations.

We are Americans. We claim to be Free. However, in the
last 20 years things have been changing. Can we afford to stay
out of the mess?
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What I wrote, although it sounds like an hyperbole, is anything but.

I refer to CNN's presentation on July 17th's video of the US Congress
having a hearing with the Deputy Director's of the Department's of Justice, DOJ, the DIA, the National Security Agency, NSA. and one other.

In the 3 .8 hour Congressional Committee's hearing, members asked pointed
questions and received evasive answers, with promises made that a secret
session would be more appropriate to answer their queries.

The queries by the Congressmen and Congresswomen were to the point
of why the NSA and other such agencies were conducting surveillances'
of US citizens, with partner corporations, collecting said US citizen's information from the telephone (cell phone) calls, email messages, and otherwise, that had been placed and received, and specifically without the knowledge and/or permission of said US citizens, in violation of two of the amendments to the US Constitution, plainly illegal acts.

Hyperbole, not hardly.

I found on my operating system, evidence of the NSA's Prism program.
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Regardless of your opinion, please take a few minutes and
respond. ..Your input is necessary. ..Stand up, be fearless.

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    Jul 15 2013: so we have a bully in the classroom, the US government, and the solution would be to demand the bullied, corporations, to stand up against it?

    what about the voter? the average US citizen? they are the bully we are talking about. they have elected politicians that regularly enact such abominations of laws. they are the ones watching oprah or football on TV, and just not giving a damn about their liberties taken away. why would microsoft protect something that people don't want and don't value? it is up to you, the american people, to put an end to the bullying your own elected government commits in your name.

    and you know what? you americans can stop lamenting, because being spied upon is a piece of cake compared to the treatment people of pakistan and other countries get.
    • Jul 15 2013: Krisztián Pintér 200+
      I know you are intelligent. It sparks when you write.
      So I will pose this. Please respond with your opine.

      Republican and Democrat leaders solicit and collect money
      from their faithful with professional money raisers 24/7/365.

      The monies are spent with the media.

      The media designs and produces entertainment and news
      that benefits those pay them.

      The media is therefore controlled as to content by the
      Republican and Democrat Leaders.

      The voters use the media to stay informed and make their
      decisions about voting based upon media input.

      Republican and Democrat Leaders select and groom their
      politicians.

      Republican and Democrat Leaders do not care which
      politician is elected.

      Republican and Democrat Leaders split the US government.

      Can you name them?
      After you do, are you sure?
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        Jul 15 2013: i assume you don't think that the media controls your vote. it also does not control my vote (not in the US, so that won't help you out). so either you are that much smarter than the average, to the level that the average should not be allowed to vote, or what?

        i mean, bear with me for a second. if a person is so ignorant and dumb that his vote depends on what a pundit says on cable, what would this person's vote be without the tv? would it be a wise choice? can you imagine such a person suddenly becoming a responsible voter, just because the tv stopped talking? i can't possibly imagine that. if people are that dumb, democracy is a failure beyond repair.

        (btw it is exactly what i'm suggesting. democracy must go, because it is not a workable social model.)
        • Jul 15 2013: Krisztián Pintér 200+

          WoW !!!
          You are so right.
          Is there a phrase to describe "more than right"?

          This Federation was not started by poor people.
          The Wealthy ones did the deed.

          I've heard that a Confederation would be better, but I haven't
          bothered to read the differences.

          Geographical Government(s) are all about control.
          They control the land apportionment , they define commerce,
          they create the rules of business structures, they create the
          worth of the monies, and they control the military.

          They do these things with a carrot and a stick.
          Limited Liability Laws for the players.
          Law Enforcement for everyone else.

          Internet has discovered a One Language.
          that is being used to present alternatives to their
          Geographical Government(s).

          In it's infancy now, One Language will need to grow
          up fast. The NSA and a hundred more programs will
          be used to stifle such an unanticipated threat to their
          Geographical Government(s).
        • Jul 15 2013: I disagree that democracy doesn't work. The problem we are facing is we no longer have a secular state. Where the real pressure is coming from is the pulpit. People here tend to vote in religious blocks, with religious morals and religious contempt. This country didn't start out that way, and influenced many countries away from religion as a power base. Unfortunately, Europe is now more secular than we are, they are progessing away from religious fervour, and heading towards humanism. If you look at the countries with the most problems, religion is right there up to it's armpits in zealots.
        • Jul 16 2013: Krisztián Pintér, I agree with your comment,

          but is a vote worth anything anymore, with so man financial corps in positions of power?
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      Jul 16 2013: You think corporations are bullied in the United States of Corporations? That's cute but clearly you have no idea how the system works in the U.S.
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        Jul 16 2013: i have. you can ask yourself: could microsoft or google one day decide: okay, we don't want to cooperate with the government anymore. we're done. sorry NSA, we changed our minds. could they do that?

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