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Should Microsoft and Google stand up and oppose the NSA publicly? Will doing nothing work?

The big Media Story today is about a Whistle-Blower who is hiding and
may soon to be captured and returned to the US for Arrest and Trial.

The exposure of NSA spying tactics of forcing Microsoft and Google,
as well as a number of other Internet Providers, both here and abroad, to provide User Records has put this nation's Internet Users on guard.

The NSA's current program PRISM has now been shown to have been
used to invade and capture information from friendly foreign nations.

We are Americans. We claim to be Free. However, in the
last 20 years things have been changing. Can we afford to stay
out of the mess?
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What I wrote, although it sounds like an hyperbole, is anything but.

I refer to CNN's presentation on July 17th's video of the US Congress
having a hearing with the Deputy Director's of the Department's of Justice, DOJ, the DIA, the National Security Agency, NSA. and one other.

In the 3 .8 hour Congressional Committee's hearing, members asked pointed
questions and received evasive answers, with promises made that a secret
session would be more appropriate to answer their queries.

The queries by the Congressmen and Congresswomen were to the point
of why the NSA and other such agencies were conducting surveillances'
of US citizens, with partner corporations, collecting said US citizen's information from the telephone (cell phone) calls, email messages, and otherwise, that had been placed and received, and specifically without the knowledge and/or permission of said US citizens, in violation of two of the amendments to the US Constitution, plainly illegal acts.

Hyperbole, not hardly.

I found on my operating system, evidence of the NSA's Prism program.
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Regardless of your opinion, please take a few minutes and
respond. ..Your input is necessary. ..Stand up, be fearless.

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    Jul 13 2013: If anything... Google and Microsoft should let their data out to the scientific communities, colleges and any registered researcher for free. The amount of information that is known by large internet companies, is phenomenal to explain...

    They know what SELLS and this is a big part of our normal psychology.

    The problem is... We were given the freedom to be informed, and we gave it away, we surrendered it slowly over the years by wanting the quick, fast and easy solution... - If not that way, through a mutant American dream; Miami Beach house, sports car, lots of parties and fun - those who knew-better-enough to take away our information by means of generating an over abundance of irrelevant information; politicians of the tyrannical-kind. Today, know-better to give what the people want, and these companies/corporations you have noted are easily able to market us what they want us to buy, just as easily as politicians want us to think we are deciding...

    If the knowledge of how to sell a child a red truck on a Tuesday at 6 P.M for an inflated price - exist. Then with the same knowledge, in data, can allow us the understanding to teach a child physics at 6 years old.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

    I'm ignoring your question entirely, because these injustices are long over due. We have been blind for so long now, when an exact target (NSA) comes under way for people to point fingers at... they have NO-TO-LITTLE idea of the entire system that is involved in such a degree of programing for these special agents to figure out whatever it is they are looking for.. The idea is literally crazy..

    With the knowledge of how people think collectively, as a culture or society... And the ability to supplement that with data about our behaviors online... A crazy amount of philosophy of the mind, resolved.

    We need total transparency for everyone period
    • Jul 14 2013: Nicholas Lukowiak 50+

      You like to entice with a tidbit.
      Edward Bernays, hmmm. Good start.

      Jagdish N Bhagwati
      Frank Lechner;
      John Boli;
      K B Ghimire
      Luis A Fernandez
      Gwyn Williams
      and another 1443 others authors.
      All trying to show how the NSA types can exist
      through manipulation.

      Maybe we can rise above democracy with the
      certain demise of Geographic Governments.
      Transparency is the way. I agree.
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        Jul 14 2013: It's not just government bodies though, it is also big corporations that just have access to huge amounts of data about people, with paradigms that are designed for propaganda, marketing and profit.
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          Jul 14 2013: It is worthy of note that these "big corporations" are held in check by the free market that has aided the consumer in greater and greater benefit to the consumer.
        • Jul 14 2013: Nicholas Lukowiak 50+ Thank you
          I must agree first with pat gilbert 100+ .

          The free market would help our US Geographical Government provided
          the current Commerce policies can be changed by an enlightened Congress, Administration, and then endorsed by the Supreme Court, as constitutional.

          Limited Liability Laws need restructured or eliminated altogether, and the
          present make-up of Corporate Structures needs be redesigned.
          Both to accommodate a more honest business model.

          But first the Security Issue has to be settled.
          The US and other Governments depend too much on False Diplomacy.
          Using Threats of Military might to add weight to any argument.
          This behavior must stop.
          ..The price paid in human lives is too high.
        • Jul 16 2013: Government has no power anymore. They have been bought, lock, stock and barrel by the handful of CEO's and Corporations who form our plutocracy. The Internet is simply one more corporation to have joined this greedy bandwagon of rulers! Want proof? Just look at how many citizens are disgusted with our government and have given up voting/petitioning knowing no one listens!
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        Jul 14 2013: Big business makes the market... Wal-Mart and similar stores, have destroyed small-town America.. Nothing is checking them, that is the problem - 6 corporations handle the major food productions in America. 5 for entertainment (movies, television, magazines, newspapers, etc). Nothing is keeping any type of big corporation in check, that is a lie, false, not true - imaginary.

        The consumer is programed to consume certain products and goods there is only an illusion of choice. If you were to boycott these major corporations in America, in every way possible, it would be a full time job and effort to live a normal life.

        There is truth to those who just call Americans mindless sheep - the problem is, we know we are sheep as a nation, but see no other way of behaving.

        Global Economics is not nearly as simple as an university-level curriculum that says "if you have two cows, you sell one to buy three chickens to make eggs and milk" but in reality - "if you have two cows, we will tax you for having them, and the milk they produce, AND tax you in order to have their milk sold at market - while having to compete in the market with multibillion dollar companies that lobby within legal rights, to make small business owning impossible, by getting laws pass in their (the corporation's) favor which cheat the little guy out of a job."
        • Jul 14 2013: Nicholas Lukowiak 50+
          Please summarize at the end. It might help me make sense of
          what you wrote.

          You lost me at -- "Big business makes the market... "

          sorry
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      • Jul 14 2013: TED FRIEND

        Yup, your right.

        But, it's kind of like when the Cop was breaking into a home. His partner Cop said,
        "We can't use anything we find inside, to arrest and convict, if we break in..."
        The first Cop replied, "We aren't going to court. We're just breaking and entering."

        Like the NSA putting bloodhound-dogs on the scent. Regardless of TOS or EULA.
        ...Your scent. snif snif snif
      • Jul 16 2013: Ted: I think you are missing the point that both large corporations ,, and the government can successfully get around the "Contractual Obligations" , whether you're talking about a commercial contract, or the Constitution itself. All it takes to hire the best of lawyers, judges, and Legislators is lots of money. And corporations, for some reason, never die.

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