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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
Hi Ho Silver Lining


Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Aug 5 2013: an all powerful all knowing whatever can be used to explain everything and anything.

    its basically saying magic.

    not accepting or not having conplete scientific explanations for everything is not evidence of magic.

    just because intuitively magic is a more comfortable gap filler or aligns with religious beliefs, its not a good reason to assert this position.

    its an argument from ignorance to assert magic is the only explanation that makes sense to you.

    relativity and quantum mechanics is counter intuitive.

    the universe does not owe us an eady explanation.

    besides saying a magical agency can fill any gaps doesnt expain anything, like how it happened.

    there could be hidden agency everywhere, but ignorance, or comfort with agency, not being able to comprehend is not evidence.
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        Aug 5 2013: Not,

        So all major universities worldwide are categorically wrong, but you are 100% correct. I'is that your position?

        Please explain...
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        Aug 5 2013: Not,

        You assert without evidence, is like you are a barrio kid bragging that you have the best fastball the world ever' seen, yet you are not willing to play Major league Baseball. !?


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