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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
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Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Aug 5 2013: what i find odd is creationist state the universe can not come from nothing. then contradict themselves and say a univerrse creator could make a universe from nothing.

    so it is possible if you allow for magic.

    if there was nothing then doesnt that include no creator beings.

    if the universe needs a creator then why not the creator.

    either the creator evolved or was created or always existed.

    so if a creator evolved or always existed why not the preconditions for a universe naturally.

    its a special pleading fallacy to say the preconditions for thevuniverse could not exist naturally outside time but a universe creator could.

    nothing with a god is not really nothing.

    so many logical fallacies in this position.
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        Aug 5 2013: how do you know the creator was no created by an even more powerful creator. o

        you dont.

        you dont know if there is acommittee of creators.

        you dont kniw if they are magical unicorns in another dimension.

        you dont knowvif our universe is the resukt of the digestive process of some other dimension being.

        yiu dont knowvanything necause there is no evidence.

        you just propse one god because you are predisposed to monotheism perhaps.

        once you invoke magical agency anything is possible.
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      Aug 5 2013: Obey,
      Indeed, another particular point that creationist use is that everything else other than creationism is mere speculation. Science is by "design" (pun intended?) falsifiable, but creationism is unquestionably infallible & true in all aspects according to our creationist friends.

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          Aug 5 2013: Not,

          Science is man-made,

          Do I feel Deja-vu? I think I've has this conversation before!?

          BTW you know-categorically that is- that Science existed before man, I'm sorry man but that is one wild assertion!

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          Aug 5 2013: Not,
          The Cleveland Indians have nothing to do with it! Mankind studied nature & certainly used events as seen in nature but the applications that you speak off were produce by people l..I've never seen in any classic textbook of science such an assertion "...raw materials were place by a designer for man and all the relationships necessary for mankind to build science..."

          Not, if you wish to believe that is indeed so, please be my guest, you are entitled to think as you may...

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          Aug 5 2013: Not,

          Call me when you pick up your Nobel Prize for ID.

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          Aug 5 2013: id is currently bunk. it is an argument from ignorance.

          so technology is based on the physical universe. yes. this doesnt point to desgn of the universe.

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