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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
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Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Aug 4 2013: The body is built of an awesome complexity of its internal workings such as hair skin eyes and the billions of differential human face features . Our DNA determines the arrangement of our body’s structure for the 206 bones, 600 odd muscles and between 10,000 or 12,000 auditory fiber nerves. In addition we have on average 2 million optic fiber nerves with 350 billion plus feet of blood vessels and 80 billion plus nerve cells including the capillaries etc the list is endless in explaining the complexity of a human being. The sophistication of such a life form that to take into account the abundance of so many other life forms bewilders anyone or any great thinker.The solution and answer can surely only result in intelligent design at the heart of such wonderful creation the spark of life, if then God is the light and the life (and I make a point that I question him not) then I must surely be the only one here on earth at this moment understanding his mind. Molecules are found to be so small that a mere average 1/4 teaspoon of tap water contains on average 1024 molecules which vary from the very simple to the very complex. Any given simple molecule will consist of only a few mere bonded atoms, an example being as found in water itself being two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen. A complex molecule of protein will on average contain 50,000 amino acids or chains of simplified molecules. The point being made here is that when one is intent on pushing natural selection and evolution as the origin of life then the verbal shadows being vomited to overcome the watchmaker seems to always smother the true impact of the complexity of life not just on the simplest molecule but dares to even attack the most complex molecule due to avoiding their true significance of their existence, the odds of a complex molecule arising from evolution or natural selection are never mentioned or questioned for the answers would surely bury the likes of Darwin or Dawkins.
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      Aug 4 2013: Its explained by evolution. You can disagree with science if you want, that still does not make design the default explanation just because the human mind and knowledge is limited and struggles to grasdp the complexities of lifevasnd the universe.

      Just becasuse there is complexity that baffles our mammalian brain is not evidenced of design and agency.

      It is apparently natural for humans to assume agency where there is no evidence, but we are like dogs barking at the wind, or humans assuming spirits or gods are behind disease and other things we did not under stand in the past.

      The chance argument is bunk.

      No time to respond further right now.
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        Aug 5 2013: No but the case for a grand designer carries the default answer due to the level of complexiety required for life to form, The God of creation is also the light and the life of which you depend upon to breathe and eat and enjoy his creation. Proof can only reside in ones faith , thats all that matters to God,

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