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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

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The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Aug 4 2013: The vastness of the universe is awesome, our planet being a mere speck filled with an abundance of life of all varieties has to originate from a mechanism that not only will seem to result in being highly dubious and on universal scales but originating from a source that one would surely find themselves heading direct to the local nuthouse for the comprehension of such a thought backed by an accountable discovery would be extremely too much for the human mind to sustain and handle, it is then that mankind will realize the awesome variety of watches, it is then that mankind will observe the abundance of potential origins of life , it is then that mankind will know of his maker his creator his watchmaker the light and the life our one and only omnipotent God who would then deservingly have the right to revel in his glory.
    If one considers the complexity of molecules and cells then the chances of two of these extremely very simple things evolving to a state whereby one would then have a feasible argument with natural selection and evolution to contest the origin of life originating from a watchmaker then consider the following process and information.

    A single drop of blood contains 35,000,000 red blood cells.
    A single red blood cell contains 280,000,000 hemoglobin molecules and each molecule containing 10,000 atoms.
    An average single man contains 27,000,000,000,000 red blood cells.
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      Aug 4 2013: John,
      That's an argument from design, but it has been looked at thoroughly check the Dover trial for reference,
      And by God did you mean the God of Christianity? And if so which of the thousands denominations?

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        Aug 5 2013: Carlos there is only one God, I do not have religion either, the arguement from design will never be over , thats like saying science or religion has won ?
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      Aug 5 2013: the universe is complex so therefore god is poor logic and not based on evidence.

      what would a universe without a designer look like.

      what is the probability of a being existing capable of creating a complex universe like this.


      there is no way to work out meaningful probabilities if no basis.

      the probability your parents had you is near impossible. if they had another million offspring its near impossible a gentic match would occur. yet here you are.

      part of this may be the incomorehensibility of the universe being inappropriately plugged with agency.

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