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Carlos Marquez

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How can God exist beyond space and time?

I'm trying to make sense of this "existence" outside space and time. How can something , anything exist yet not exist in space-time? Something completely disconnected from length, width, height, or point in time....
Is this a "truth" that is beyond human comprehension? For maybe this may be one the "truths" that escapes the human intellect. However there are also non-sense statements that require filtering, I believe that existence beyond space and time is one statement that requires filtering.
Does God pops in and out of existence along with virtual particles? Or is God tightly curled up( about a Planck length?) in one or more dimensions of a Calabi-Yau manifold? Or is this existence as useful as the Cosmic Peanut Butter Theory?
Asking if it's possible means nothing, however. The question to ask is, what makes anyone say this? What is the evidence for such assertions? Show me how does anyone got to this statement.
Please as you deploy your arguments don't conflate suppositions with explanations, for these are not interchangeable. Just because it can be imagined, does not make it valid, or even explanatory.
And no scripture as proof.("Behold, heaven and the highest heavens cannot contain Thee... (1 Kings 8:27)) etc, Please and thank you.
Keep the mental contortions civil & courteous, even artful which is always cool. Let's learn from each other!

"You're everywhere and no where, baby
That's where you're at"
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Closing Statement from Carlos Marquez

The operational word in my question was "how" could god or anything exists beyond space and time?, And the core answer after the often heated exchanges is that some folks believe such a fantastic particular possible yet unable to render a demonstrable explanation -why?- because it is impossible.
The incredible thing is that folks believe dogmas as such without questioning. Is similar to lets say slavery or interracial marriage or the prohibition, many in power used (still do ) the Bible to back up such views and today-thanks in a big part by Secular Humanism- are not active policies in our country. Many a Christian believed that all above mentioned stances were correct just as god exist beyond space and time.

I think that as a whole mankind is evolving away from dogmas into new horizons, faith based or divinely revealed knowledge will take a backseat to reason based knowledge. And for that process there is a demonstrable "How".

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    Aug 5 2013: Not coincidence,
    A philosophical "nothing" does not exists, otherwise you are saying that the Universe is so complex that it had to be "designed" just because it can not be explained any other way, mankind can't just throw their hands up and say "well God(s) did it!-imagine if mankind gave up to find a cure for Polio,just because it was difficult!?

    Your use of the word "coincidence" is not correct as it applies to Natural Selection , Google the Dover trial transcripts. What you write reminds me of the Discovery Institute, and do notice that none,none of those claims have made it to any textbooks in CALTECH,MIT, Princeton, Harvard,Yale,West Point etc. Don't take my word for it contact any of those Institutions Dept. Of Biology and ask away.

    Thee is no designer just by stating it that it was so.

    One thing that I agree -I'm also at awe at the universe-,

    BTW which God(s) designed the universe-There is a pick of over 37,000 deities created by man throughout history, and once you pick one then you most likely have to pick a denomination-and of course who created the creator?-bad for occam's razor.

    Don't take anything at face value go and find out for yourself to whether Creationism better explain the universe. Dare to start with a tabula rasa and see where evidence leads you. Then let the chips fall where they may.

    Thanks
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      Aug 5 2013: Carlos Not Coincidence was clear , you only got to read his first line to see the impossible that scientists are trying to impose on us ? created from nothing ? how stupid is that ? if I stood infront of you and made a chocolate orange appear and told you I made it from nothing would you believe me ? The entire scientific understanding of the universe is based on what carlos ? gravity that also must of supposedly appeared from nothing ?

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